The Census proves our downward spiral.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100928/ap_on_bi_ge/us_census_recession_s_impact
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The Rich get richer and the Poor get......Part 2
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Just continues to confirm that we as a nation are in a bad place right now.
But just think of all the great deals we get by buying Made in China!!
I doubt this trend is limited to our US of A.
Could China be in a similar trend? I can't imagine that the surge of wealth over there has benefited more than a tiny percentage of their population.
And except for a few small nations that spread the oil wealth into their population, most of the middle east has to be the epitome of the extremes of wealth and poverty.
And I can't even start on Africa.
Could China be in a similar trend? I can't imagine that the surge of wealth over there has benefited more than a tiny percentage of their population.
And except for a few small nations that spread the oil wealth into their population, most of the middle east has to be the epitome of the extremes of wealth and poverty.
And I can't even start on Africa.
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Think about the potential increase in people's bank accounts if billions were not wasted every year on government nonsense such as this.
Think about the potential increase in people's bank accounts if billions were not wasted every year on government nonsense such as this.
So you'd like the government to govern blind? Do the odd unbalanced survey designed to produce whatever statistic they feel will support their position?
It's kind of funny that the government here has proposed removing the long census form, and there has been a bit of a public backlash as it is a bit of mystery how many government descisions could be made intellegently without it.
It's kind of funny that the government here has proposed removing the long census form, and there has been a bit of a public backlash as it is a bit of mystery how many government descisions could be made intellegently without it.
Nonsense. The information just issued by the census could be duplicated cheaply. The IRS for instance keeps much more accurate numbers (yearly)than the census can generate.
Makes you wonder how people and countries survived before these massive governments that people in Canada so quickly jump to defend.
Makes you wonder how people and countries survived before these massive governments that people in Canada so quickly jump to defend.
Actually, I'd simply like my government to follow the constitution. But instead, it wants to expand into areas the founding fathers had no intention for the federal government.
Let the states find what works best for them.
Regardless one's political leanings, it's pretty obvious that what works in IL may not work in WY or other states. So a one size fits all federal solution will be one that probably doesn't work well anywhere.
But that doesn't seem to stop either party in DC.
Let the states find what works best for them.
Regardless one's political leanings, it's pretty obvious that what works in IL may not work in WY or other states. So a one size fits all federal solution will be one that probably doesn't work well anywhere.
But that doesn't seem to stop either party in DC.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Think about the potential increase in people's bank accounts if billions were not wasted every year on government nonsense such as this.
So you'd like the government to govern blind? .
You mean they don't govern blind now?
The blind is leading the blind.They ignore statistics if they don't work in their favor anyway.
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Think about the potential increase in people's bank accounts if billions were not wasted every year on government nonsense such as this.
So you'd like the government to govern blind? .
You mean they don't govern blind now?
The blind is leading the blind.They ignore statistics if they don't work in their favor anyway.
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Like hiring, firing, and rehiring people several times and counting each rehire as a new job created?
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Like hiring, firing, and rehiring people several times and counting each rehire as a new job created?
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Like hiring, firing, and rehiring people several times and counting each rehire as a new job created?
Yes that would be an example.
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Like hiring, firing, and rehiring people several times and counting each rehire as a new job created?
Yes that would be an example.
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Think about the potential increase in people's bank accounts if billions were not wasted every year on government nonsense such as this.
So you'd like the government to govern blind? .
You mean they don't govern blind now?
The blind is leading the blind.They ignore statistics if they don't work in their favor anyway.
Well, then with a statistically significant and relatively unbiased data source like the census, the opposition party can illustrate to the public what a bone head or partisan move it was for the government to ignore their own census data...
Some folks in the Civil Service do take their job description to heart, its not called government service... The head of Statistics Canada resigned from his plum well paying job in protest over losing our long form census. He would not back the government in assuring that the short form census was "adequate" to make informed statistically sound decisions...
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
The real lesson here is how the census has gone from a count of the people inhabiting the country every 10 years to getting involved in areas it was never intended to.
Think about the potential increase in people's bank accounts if billions were not wasted every year on government nonsense such as this.
So you'd like the government to govern blind? .
You mean they don't govern blind now?
The blind is leading the blind.They ignore statistics if they don't work in their favor anyway.
Well, then with a statistically significant and relatively unbiased data source like the census, the opposition party can illustrate to the public what a bone head or partisan move it was for the government to ignore their own census data...
Some folks in the Civil Service do take their job description to heart, its not called government service... The head of Statistics Canada resigned from his plum well paying job in protest over losing our long form census. He would not back the government in assuring that the short form census was "adequate" to make informed statistically sound decisions...
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Think about the potential increase in people's bank accounts if billions were not wasted every year on government nonsense such as this.
Whose bank account? Those who aren't employed doing the census?
Where will they work? Where will that money come from? Every gubmit employee is a consumer that does everything that you do with your dollar. How it manages to be "wasted" in the economy is beyond me.
If you threw the money in the street and only homeless crack addicts bought a cheeseburger it would be hard for it not to end up in someone's bank account.
Think about the potential increase in people's bank accounts if billions were not wasted every year on government nonsense such as this.
Whose bank account? Those who aren't employed doing the census?
If you threw the money in the street and only homeless crack addicts bought a cheeseburger it would be hard for it not to end up in someone's bank account.
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Some folks in the Civil Service do take their job description to heart
So non civil servants do not?
Look there is nothing wrong with a head count but when they start wanting answers to questions they already know the answer to i.e my race,income or if i own my house and is there a mortgage on it now your busting my stones.
They are getting paid to do do research so let them go do it.
Some folks in the Civil Service do take their job description to heart
So non civil servants do not?
Look there is nothing wrong with a head count but when they start wanting answers to questions they already know the answer to i.e my race,income or if i own my house and is there a mortgage on it now your busting my stones.
They are getting paid to do do research so let them go do it.
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I find it liberating that they operate "blind" and don't just use the patriot act to find every scrap of paper that leads to everybody. And at least attempt to keep a secret, mostly.
If I look white I might not be a WASP, I could be Hispanic/Asian, with 1/16 Native, etc.
Census might be 99% accurate in suburbia, but with illegal sublets, homeless, boyfriends living rent free in section 8, etc it's nice to tally the discrepancies. They seem pretty aggressive in their competence, rare in gov't.
If I look white I might not be a WASP, I could be Hispanic/Asian, with 1/16 Native, etc.
Census might be 99% accurate in suburbia, but with illegal sublets, homeless, boyfriends living rent free in section 8, etc it's nice to tally the discrepancies. They seem pretty aggressive in their competence, rare in gov't.
It simply seems a waste if nothing is done with the data. For example, if we find out an area is 25% illegal alien, why are those folks there longer than 10 minutes after the data is correlated?
So I'm not against collecting the data. But I'd sure like is used to actually do the nation some good.
Instead, it seems to be used to generate even more government programs that wouldn't even be needed in the first place if folks simply held up their own end of the social contract, instead of passing the bill on to those who always get the bill.
Like I've said before, I don't mind helping my fellow man. I simply want to look the person in the eye and make sure they are taking the well known steps to make sure they don't stay where they are on the ladder, and are using what I give wisely.
I really don't trust a bureaucracy to look out for my interests as well as the interests of the ones needing help, or the bureaucracy. It seems perpetuating the bureaucracy comes first, then helping the client, and finally looking out for the taxpayers who are actually paying the bill MAY be an added on idea that if there is time, they'll get to it.
IIRC, the whole idea of the census was for determining how many members of the house a state got. The house represents based on population and each state gets two seats in the senate.
So there are states that may only have one member of the house, but two senators. Other states have dozens in the house, but again only two senators.
That's pretty much the only reason we need to have a census, to make sure that there is appropriate representation in the house of representatives.
So I'm not against collecting the data. But I'd sure like is used to actually do the nation some good.
Instead, it seems to be used to generate even more government programs that wouldn't even be needed in the first place if folks simply held up their own end of the social contract, instead of passing the bill on to those who always get the bill.
Like I've said before, I don't mind helping my fellow man. I simply want to look the person in the eye and make sure they are taking the well known steps to make sure they don't stay where they are on the ladder, and are using what I give wisely.
I really don't trust a bureaucracy to look out for my interests as well as the interests of the ones needing help, or the bureaucracy. It seems perpetuating the bureaucracy comes first, then helping the client, and finally looking out for the taxpayers who are actually paying the bill MAY be an added on idea that if there is time, they'll get to it.
IIRC, the whole idea of the census was for determining how many members of the house a state got. The house represents based on population and each state gets two seats in the senate.
So there are states that may only have one member of the house, but two senators. Other states have dozens in the house, but again only two senators.
That's pretty much the only reason we need to have a census, to make sure that there is appropriate representation in the house of representatives.
They're asking people how many bedrooms are in their house and things like that.
We have a city department which keeps track of that stuff. I bet most all localities do. Go ask them.
We have a city department which keeps track of that stuff. I bet most all localities do. Go ask them.
I always love these percentage based "result" and how class warriors use them as "proof" that we are on the way down.
The thing people always forget is that the entire pie is getting MUCH larger...FAST. In 1920 there were about 100 million people in this country and now we have 310 million and EVERYONE is much better off than they were in the 1920's. So what that means is that there are 3 times as many wealthy people than we used to have so there is a LOT of wealth being generated.
If this were not the case, then there would be about the same number of "rich" people as there were in the past (pick a year) in absolute terms, not percentages.
Things would be far better if the poorer people weren't forced to give large chunks of their incomes to Ponzi schemes which actively keeps them poor.
Poverty rates have also skyrocketed in 2009:
http://www.mybanktracker.com/bank-news/2010/09/28/us-poverty-rate-census/
which drives down the numbers.
This in spite of unprecedented gov. spending in order "help" the "middle class".
The thing people always forget is that the entire pie is getting MUCH larger...FAST. In 1920 there were about 100 million people in this country and now we have 310 million and EVERYONE is much better off than they were in the 1920's. So what that means is that there are 3 times as many wealthy people than we used to have so there is a LOT of wealth being generated.
If this were not the case, then there would be about the same number of "rich" people as there were in the past (pick a year) in absolute terms, not percentages.
Things would be far better if the poorer people weren't forced to give large chunks of their incomes to Ponzi schemes which actively keeps them poor.
Poverty rates have also skyrocketed in 2009:
http://www.mybanktracker.com/bank-news/2010/09/28/us-poverty-rate-census/
which drives down the numbers.
This in spite of unprecedented gov. spending in order "help" the "middle class".
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Actually, I'd simply like my government to follow the constitution. But instead, it wants to expand into areas the founding fathers had no intention for the federal government.
Let the states find what works best for them.
Regardless one's political leanings, it's pretty obvious that what works in IL may not work in WY or other states. So a one size fits all federal solution will be one that probably doesn't work well anywhere.
But that doesn't seem to stop either party in DC.
amen to that.. we are too many to be governed by one large central govt.
Actually, I'd simply like my government to follow the constitution. But instead, it wants to expand into areas the founding fathers had no intention for the federal government.
Let the states find what works best for them.
Regardless one's political leanings, it's pretty obvious that what works in IL may not work in WY or other states. So a one size fits all federal solution will be one that probably doesn't work well anywhere.
But that doesn't seem to stop either party in DC.
amen to that.. we are too many to be governed by one large central govt.
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