The real state of events.

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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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but these people aren't the scourge of the earth by any means.


Many are not. We'll always have an underclass. Even if they're all at the doctorate level. The pie gets divided and the lower rungs get the crumbs. It's an immutable law. Now where you set your floor is the distinction. As you can see by the depictions, the floor is being allowed to sink.

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I pray that we move past this economic slump quickly


I pray that we do not. It's the patch job "keep the trains on time" methods that have profited few and cost many in our daily distractions that allowed this matter to evolve right under our noses. We've been buy big fancy houses and big fancy cars and Xbox's on credit ..flat screens ..all in some assumed "standard" of living that was not sustainable. When the house of cards tumbles, some are packing away LARGE ..and most are counting change.

Recessions of the neo-past were our saviors. They realigned the global trade flows/costs. Since they were inconvenient for our icons of commerce, they were artificially avoided with false vapor economics. Since we didn't have our much needed recessions ..and the relatively short pain that they brought ..and the healthier economy following them, we now appear to DESERVE a major meltdown to set things straight.

Most of our depression era folks are dead. They had the advantage of "needed people" when there was potential growth. Now technology and other evolutions have made a good chunk of our population unneeded ...or if needed, not at a viable wage. Service economies can have that contradiction.

There will be dark times ahead.


I hate to admit it, but Gary is spot-on with this assessment. Seems like everything is coming full circle. My grandmother has been hoarding food she does not need for years, as the Great Depression left an indelible mark on her. She still talks of that era with a heavy heart and told me just how bad it was then. Maybe she isn't so far off with her fears she retains to this day.

At one point I was an X-Box on credit, trade a car in upside down guy, and I am glad I outgrew that about 10 years ago. I would have been embarassed back then to fess up to owning the two vehicles listed in my signature as it wouldn't make me look "cool" enough to others in society.
 
Read an interesting compare/contrast to the Great Depression recently. The one thing that struck me was the comparison of the workforce. During the depression, there was a large, highly disciplined workforce. People would work hard for peanuts. They had real world skills like repair, manufacturing, farming, tradesman, hands on blue collar work.

Nowadays the larger percentage of the workforce is highly undisciplined, with little real world skill, and like to whine a lot.

"Our whole economy is based on 200 million people driving around eating fried chicken and going shopping."

The house of cards is tumbling , blue chip companies and big name old time financial institutions are failing at a rapid pace.

It probably won't happen, but a return to something like the depression era lifestyles would have this generation begging for mercy almost immediately. Our grandparents were way tougher and way more self sufficient.

Things are only gonna get worse, this is going to be a tough Fall season, probably one of the toughest of our (and our parents) generations.

Meanwhile most Americans continue turning off their brains and staring at the new flat panel TV, pretending as if it's all good as usual.

"May you live in interesting times."

For sure.
 
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I am glad I have been learning about canning and growing my own food etc. WHen all my paper certificates are worthless at least I will know how to feed myself and my loved ones.
 
This is why I live like a hermit and spend as little as possible, and I don't make that much money.

Perhaps I should get a cow, a couple goats, and a shattas of chickens for my back yard. Hey, at least it'll give my dog and cat some entertainment!

It's understandable how people with good jobs and educations get like this though - I'd bet the vast majority end up this way as a result of having no health insurance. One small trip to the ER in an ambulance and you're out a couple grand. YOU ARE [censored] if something remotely worse happens. I broke my wrist a few years ago - total cost was roughly 20 grand. Had an appendicitis a year ago - total cost was roughly 30 grand.

I can't believe people would trade an upside down car loan, an upside down mortgage, brand new EVERYTHING etc. etc. etc. for having to live in a homeless tent.

I'd rather have 5 year old clothes, 2nd hand furniture, and a 15 year old car that gets 35 mpg AND HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE (and I have all of those and I buy my own insurance), then have material bee ess that is supposedly supposed to make me feel good.

The bottom line with our country and our citizenry is that we're going to have to learn to live within our means or it's going to be forced upon us in a swift and painful fashion.
 
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
This is why I live like a hermit and spend as little as possible, and I don't make that much money.
If you are an accountant like you say you are, you should be making decent money. Are you a CPA or at least a CPA candidate?
 
Originally Posted By: Aldaris
Drew99GT said:
Are you a CPA or at least a CPA candidate?


Nope. But I do work for a CPA. I like the grunt work instead of wining and dining and bull [censored] clients!

I actually hate it and want to do something else but I don't know where to go...

Would never have even gotten my degree in accounting if I knew what it was really like to work in a professional business office. Reminds me a lot of kindergarten actually...
 
Originally Posted By: AcuraTech


"Our whole economy is based on 200 million people driving around eating fried chicken and going shopping."

The house of cards is tumbling , blue chip companies and big name old time financial institutions are failing at a rapid pace.

Meanwhile most Americans continue turning off their brains and staring at the new flat panel TV, pretending as if it's all good as usual.

Scary..another person who thinks like me.
Hope you are driving an Acura. :)
 
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The suck thing is we can only vote, speak up and REALLY vote with our pocket books....but the websare so tight around us, we just be waiting for big mama spidey come eat us!!!!
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Aldaris
Drew99GT said:
Are you a CPA or at least a CPA candidate?


Nope. But I do work for a CPA. I like the grunt work instead of wining and dining and bull [censored] clients!

I actually hate it and want to do something else but I don't know where to go...

Would never have even gotten my degree in accounting if I knew what it was really like to work in a professional business office. Reminds me a lot of kindergarten actually...

Very funny. Our paths converge and diverge. I'm considering tacking an accounting degree onto my existing degree at my school and sitting for the CPA exam. There's no shortage of jobs or money for qualified accountants.
 
Oh, we're just spoiled by the last near 30 years of prosperity. As far as consumer goods go, I honestly don't know where people are getting all the money for all these toys. Every day I see an F-350 hauling home a 50 inch plasma from Best Buy/Wal-Mart/Target/Circuit City. Sure, the recent economics have hit some people hard, and our used car lots are full of trucks and SUVs. But by and large things seem great where I live. Perhaps it's the record employment in the petro industry down here or something.... I dunno. But it's too rich for me with the credit card debt, wife's med school loan bill, three kids..... But at least I am not buying anything on credit NOW....
 
Any engineers over there living in a tent ?

We've (Oz power industry) started importing them (accepting overseas applications and assisting migration).

Eraring Power (not my company) are advertising for a turbine engineer Central Coast NSW. $80-$100k p.a. (plus 15% into superannuation), with the chance to progress to team leader within the next 5...
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
The suck thing is we can only vote, speak up and REALLY vote with our pocket books....but the websare so tight around us, we just be waiting for big mama spidey come eat us!!!!


The really suck thing is that we love money and "stuff" far too much. No blaming anubody else but ourselves for that one.
 
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
O I honestly don't know where people are getting all the money for all these toys.

Well they were borrowing it against subprime home equities that went down the [censored] when overprices went down in value and folksv defaulted.

Oh yea, they are the tent people. Fortunately bc the Government is paying their mortgages they won't be adding to the population of the tent cities.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Any engineers over there living in a tent ?

We've (Oz power industry) started importing them (accepting overseas applications and assisting migration).

Eraring Power (not my company) are advertising for a turbine engineer Central Coast NSW. $80-$100k p.a. (plus 15% into superannuation), with the chance to progress to team leader within the next 5...


Give it time. The creep will hit yoo too 'roo
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Originally Posted By: Steve S
Usually credit buys things that are not needed.


Yeah ..but you've got to pay for it.....sooner or later
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Originally Posted By: Steve S
Don't need health insurance if you say your neme is Fernando and are not a citizen.


Or live in Canada
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