'The Light Of Bob"

[IH8mush]

Okay, I am getting rather weary of going round and round with Toyota propagandist, Brainwashed Techs on the4x4network and the Black screen hurts my head,

So I decided to post this simple test here on "Bob"

This is to show how little of the proprietary fluid used in the closed steering axle application will contaminate the grear oil,

This is rather to be expected somewhat, type of seal, single lip facing towards the 80-90 in the 3rd member, almost expected that a small amount of the factory semi fluid will cross contaminate to the 3rd member, the knuckle assembly is not vented to the atmosphere,

For those who are wondering what this is all about, read the "Grease Story" thread here in the light of "Bob"

But this is a simple test showing only 1 teaspoon of the semi fluid grease will turn a substancial amount of gear oil, black,

But is does no harm, none

 

[IH8mush]

 

[IH8mush]

 

[IH8mush]

 

[JZiggy]

I think your problem is that coffee you're drinkin. That blue mug... yecchh

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
But is does no harm, none

What do you define as harm?

 

[Rix]

First off:
You have this backwards.
You're trying to say that discoloration is normal, due to cross contamination. AT THE SAME TIME, you're trying to say there IS NO cross-contamination.
BOTH are wrong.

Here is an example of gear oil that is NOT contaminated. I replaced the axle seal on this vehicle, repacked the knuckles, wheel bearings, etc, in 2003, at 260,000 odd thousand miles.
This truck now has over 420,000 miles on it. the owner drives it in winter, back and forth to montana from washington.
Not only are the birfields NOT worn out (he locks the hubs before he leaves here), there is no leaking at the hubs, no nasty build up at the knuckles, no funny noises, no nothing.

gear oil that is supposed to 75-90 or 8-90, thickened to the (approximate) consisency of 140 weight is NOT a good thing.
Will it do any real harm? I don't know.
But the other side of this situation is the knuckle grease getting thinned out, and leaking all over the place.

THIS ON THE OTHER HAND

IS NOT NORMAL. It's a problem. If your lubricant is leaking out, it's not lubricating what it's supposed to be lubricating.

This is silly, and not needed.

 

[IH8mush]

Rixxer,

The level of the 3rd member was slightly over filled yet,

The passenger side knuckle was going dry, below the level of the seal,

What it thinning the grease ?

It cannot be axle seal failure, This is normal factory Toyota grease, a semifluid, #0 grade,

The slightly dicolored gear oil, well above the axle seal, and low knuckle,,'

It is not axle seal failure causing the Normal discharge on the balls,

Still Class 1 leakage as desired, 1994 Rig with 160,000 miles,

and as mentioned it is the type of seal, single lip axle seal and the level above the level of the gear oil the LAWS of gravity dictate the if any leakage past this seal it would be the semi fluid to the third member,

Evident in the overfilled, discolored gear oil here,

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Quote:
But is does no harm, none

What do you define as harm?


Gear or bearing failure,

 

[IH8mush]

First off:
You have this backwards.
You're trying to say that discoloration is normal, due to cross contamination. AT THE SAME TIME, you're trying to say there IS NO cross-contamination.
BOTH are wrong.

Here is an example of gear oil that is NOT contaminated. I replaced the axle seal on this vehicle, repacked the knuckles, wheel bearings, etc, in 2003, at 260,000 odd thousand miles.
This truck now has over 420,000 miles on it. the owner drives it in winter, back and forth to montana from washington.
Not only are the birfields NOT worn out (he locks the hubs before he leaves here), there is no leaking at the hubs, no nasty build up at the knuckles, no funny noises, no nothing.




gear oil that is supposed to 75-90 or 8-90, thickened to the (approximate) consisency of 140 weight is NOT a good thing.
Will it do any real harm? I don't know.
But the other side of this situation is the knuckle grease getting thinned out, and leaking all over the place.

Rixxer



Rixxer What is thinning the grease,? the knuckle on the passenger side was low, very low hardly measured on my make shift dipstick,

Not axle seal failure causing the discharge of grease,

So what ?

this is so basic, so simple,

This is normal, with the factory type semifluid #0 grease,

Pretty basic,

 

[Rix]

Factory grease isn't #0.
I know, I've seen it. You haven't.

Those pics of some random cruiser off a random car lot do not tell us anything, besides that it's a leaker.

They aren't supposed to leak.

 

[IH8mush]

Rixxer,

Why do you keep posting the same grease in the knuckle that your doing a repair for axle seal leakage,
?

and saying look, plenty in the joint, well that is because it is a #1 grade grease

Either thinned by gear oil, probrobly not

Or #1 from the factory, which could have very well been used,

Rather misleading to post a picture of a #1 grease for whatever reason to show a #2 grease and say hey look it is fine all still inside the knuckle,

Why?

93 Chewbacca has either seen or understands that a #2 grease will not look like that,

It will be flung out towards the sides, and the Joint will be swimming in a somewhat dry coocoon of grease,

To use the words of a observant Toyota owner,

Rixxer post up that thin grease your showing in the knuckle,

all worked into the cv joint,,,, Not #2

For whatever reason,

It is rather important that you are honest , if not I will have to search thru all your insults over on the4x4network to find where you

You none other Than You Rixxer state that this is a axle repairing for leakage of axle seal failure

Posting a thinned out #2 or a #1

Which ever it is not what Toyota sales ses to use #2 grade,

Which is wrong,

 

[Rix]

No, frank, I'm not arguing with you here anymore.

You don't have the experience to make the claims you do.
End of story.

To the OP: I apologize for this junk.

 

[rshunter]

Originally Posted By: Rix
No, frank, I'm not arguing with you here anymore.

You don't have the experience to make the claims you do.
End of story.

To the OP: I apologize for this junk.

No need to apologize, IH8mush is the OP...

 

[Rix]

oh yeah.
Apology rescinded. I thought I was typing in chewbacca's thread.
LOL
Especially since it's directed at me, from a completely different website.

 

[IH8mush]

No, frank, I'm not arguing with you here anymore.

"Rixxer"


Understood, Quite likely we will find quite a few sharp grease monkeys over here in the "light"

And quite likely others will also see thru the Toyota Sales dept Smoke and mirrors,

I have succeeded however to draw you out of the darkness for at least a bit,

I too would be rather uncomfortable attempting to defend Toyota Sales incompatible, incorrect grade recommendation,

Understood,

 

[IH8mush]

From the "network"

truckin6382 wrote:
I want frank to answer to these concerns 1 by 1. If anyone has a question they want me to ask him, PM me and I will throw it on the list.

First question.

What characteristics does soda grease have that are needed in a Toyota axle? Any answer given should be characteristics that Lithium greases do not possess. Please be specific and cite your sources.



No, frank, I'm not arguing with you here anymore.

"Rixxer"


Truckin The Discussion has moved to the "Light of Bob"

We are discussing Grade only at this stage, also if you dig thru this mess you will find all of the answers,

It is quite apparent that Rixxer does not feel comfortable discussing this with "Real" educated grease folks,

But I quess I will answer this ? for the 1,000000000000000000000000 time

What characteristics does soda grease have that are needed in a Toyota axle?

Adhesion,

Used in areas that are prone to leakage,

If that is not the closed steering axle I do not know what is,

Used in less than oil tight power transmission devices

If that is not the closed steering axle I do not know what is,

All of these things are referenced, cited, by both me and others here that have posted information about this form of grease,

One the does exeptionally well with Shocking and pounding

If that is not the closed steering axle I do not know what is, In a off road machine,

So Sign up on Bob, if you wish to discuss this further,

 

[Rix]

There is compatibility issue.
Toyota DID NOT use sodium grease, or #0 in the knuckles of solid axle trucks and land cruisers.

This is NOT the place for this frank.

 

[IH8mush]

This is NOT the place for this frank.


No Rixxer this is the place, It is what the "Light of Bob" is all about,

Allowing folks to make informed , educated grease selections,

A source of reliable information in a all to confusing,sometimes deceptive, world of grease,

I have read posts by folks who refer to is as the "grease game"

It truly is, what I am doing is educated the "Players" in the Toyota grease game,

Making in harder, so far they have had it real easy, Real easy,

Why,?

Because somehow they have even duped the techs,

This is What Bob is all about, definitly the place,
Chewbacca said he thought "Bob is the oil guy could shine some light on his grease questions,

Yep

 

[Rix]

No, frank, this is NOT the place.
First, YOU are trying to SELL YOUR GREASE.
Second, you are trying to pawn it of as what the factory used, and that IS A LIE. Plain and simple. A LIE.
You CANNOT provide proof that it was used at the factory level, because it wasn't.
I have had original, un-molested (confirmed, mind you) axles apart. So has E-rock. So have the other's you're trying to say are wrong, such as Marlin, Longfield, etc.
You HAVE NOT.
You say you want to shed light on this situation?
So put up or shut up.
Post the brand name of what it is you're selling, so it can be researched.