That's one way to handle strike action.

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QANTAS CE just announced the grounding of their entire fleet, domestically and internationally to fix strike action by various employee groups/unions.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-ne...2-1226180030416

Unions have been nickle and diming them with 1-4 hour strike action over outsourcing, pay rates, etc. etc., and alleging that QANTAS won't come to the table to "negotiate".

QANTAS have been claiming that the Unions won't come to the table and "negotiate"

Not sure how both parties can be accusing the other of "not coming to the table", without actually getting to the table.

The public are/were sick of the Union antics, and a few hours of being stuffed about, but the talkback radio this evening had people who were looking down indefinite delays, having terminated hire car /leases etc.

Can see exactly why QANTAS acted, and agree that it's a supreme way of dealing with the Union's nickel and diming...not sure that it will serve them well.

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The airline has been losing market share. And this move will lose even more.

He's earned his 5 million.

In August 2011 the company announced that due to financial losses and a decline in market share, major structural changes would be made. Up to 1,000 jobs will be lost in Australia and a new Asia-based premium airline will be set up operating under a different name. It will also launch a budget airline, called Jetstar Japan, in partnership with Japan Airlines and Mitsubishi Corporation. Included in the changes are the cessation of services to London via Hong Kong and Bangkok, for which Qantas is no longer taking reservations.

On 29 October 2011, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce announced that, as a result of continuing industrial unrest following the announcement of the job losses and structural changes, he was grounding the entire Qantas mainline fleet, effective immediately.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/essen...0-1226175373949

An Essential Report survey released today reveals the airline is losing the battle for public trust on the key issue of employment security.

The poll found 67 per cent of voters were on the side of aviation unions, which includes the powerful Transport Workers Union.

But so far only a minority of voters want the Government to intervene and would prefer the unions and management sort out the dispute themselves.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breakin...x-1226179900895

It didn't take long for more than a few pilots, baggage handlers and superannuation investors to grab the microphone and show just how unhappy they were about Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce being awarded a $5 million salary package.

"Since Mr Joyce came in as CEO of this company, the share price has dropped 50 per cent and I'd like to know why the [censored] his wages haven't dropped 50 per cent," shareholder Paul Cousins boomed across the auditorium.
 
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Qantas is going down the tubes.

Mus tsay I was VERY surprised to see this, I had to do a double take!
 
I saw it on line,but it wasn't mentioned in any TV news. Maybe the Government should step in like what happened with Air New Zealand. Air NZ was originally government owned,but was privatised in the late '80's. They were going to go down the tubes after Ansett went belly up (another victim of unions) and the Government stepped in. It's been good to have it owned by us again,but if this government gets back in this election they will put the talk of asset sales into practise again.
 
Funny, but from our perspective, AirNZ asset stripped the freckle out of ANSETT, while creating a legal structure that left ANSETT frequent flyers and employees hanging in their obligations.
 
My son in law's father lost his job at Ansett (they are Australian),and Ansett is a word not mentioned. I used to do a lot of work for AirNZ workers as my shop was at the end of the Motorway to the airport - as far as they were concerned it was the Aussie unions that tripped the whole thing up....funny how they are doing it again.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Funny, but from our perspective, AirNZ asset stripped the freckle out of ANSETT, while creating a legal structure that left ANSETT frequent flyers and employees hanging in their obligations.


The demise of Ansett was a surprise to many of us...ANZ continues because of its near-monopoly on Kiwi routes...and QANTAS has been unable to capitalize on the monopoly it had as a result...with Virgin Blue making domestic inroads and carriers like Singapore leveraging their far lower labor rates...

I wish them luck...they need it...
 
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Are the unions to blame for being out of a job ?
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The greedy ones are. In a bad economy they need to make concessions. Otherwise it leads to layoffs of their members. In a good economy they can negotiate salary increases, better benefits, etc.
 
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"Since Mr Joyce came in as CEO of this company, the share price has dropped 50 per cent and I'd like to know why the [censored] his wages haven't dropped 50 per cent," shareholder Paul Cousins boomed across the auditorium.
See, this is the part I don't understand.

Large companies say they have to pay the ludicrous wages and bonuses "to attract and keep a high level of talent". Yet when that "high-level" talent runs the company into the ground, there are no penalties and they get to keep all the money. These morons then move on to another company and run IT into the ground, all the while getting the same ridiculous pay. Ad nauseum.

Sounds like the ultimate "good-ole boy" network to me.
 
If someone works for a living, and sees some executives with relatively easy jobs making 50+ times what you are, I can see why they balk.
 
Or maybe 300 times as that's about what average CEO wage vs average worker wage. Of course if they didn't pay CEO this well they'd just end up with someone who does an even worse job
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Joyce was just on the idjit box, squirming through questions about his 40% pay rise, and $2M potential bonus, while moving to areas of cheaper labour.

Interestingly, Unions are required by law to notify of their intent to take industrial action, while QANTAS issued a no notice no fly, purely to force the Government into their dispute...which they have
 
You could be right...

today's paper, they are accusing the employees of "trashing the brand", while they've been outsourcing, engine failures, nearly running out of juice, planning on offshoring their new brands while holding the "Spirit of Australia" advertising logo.

Reports today of already boarded planes about to start taxi offloaded, and passengers told to jump...if that's not trashing your own brand, then what is ?

Domestic pilots not part of the dispute, but they locked them out and cancelled all flights for them as well.
 
Unionization FTW! We can all spiral down the drain.

I'm not here to dispute the absurd CEO pay. But, spread that money to the employees and the situation remains unchanged.

Also, what is the real reason the company exists? Is it to provide a service or to make a profit? I'll argue that it exists to make a healthy profit for those who own and manage the company.

My company "cujet industries" exists to make me rich! (ha ha, still working on that one)
 
The current media agenda is ridiculously obvious. Class warfare distracts us all from the REAL issues at hand. It is very disappointing how many of us simply eat what we're fed.

In a capitalistic society someone will always make more than you. It should never make anyone angry, it should inspire them to work harder to achieve similar success. We should all learn to congratulate people who have earned their success, not denigrate them as criminals.
 
But when the executives are the ones trying to set everyone else's pay at peanuts, not to mention setting their own pay very high despite the company's poor perfromance, then who is the one really engaging in class warfare? It's a fallacy to think that non-union and even minimum wage workforces are immune from being outsourced to an even cheaper labor market.
 
Too bad we can't outsource CEO's and the Board of Directors to the Chinese. I'll bet they have people who would do a better job for $2 an hour, if you don't count the bribes.
 
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