TGMO 0W-20 - FAQ

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I bought TGMO a couple months ago for $5-something a litre just walking into the local Toyota dealer here in Canada. In Canada that's an absolute STEAL for a top of the line synthetic. It's a better price than one can get any other big brand synthetic oil even when it's on sale for 40% off... normal price is about $50 a jug!

Price alone makes it a great deal up here. If it's any better than other oils (for whatever reason) then that's just icing on the cake.
 
Originally Posted By: Blue_Angel
I bought TGMO a couple months ago for $5-something a litre just walking into the local Toyota dealer here in Canada.

Yeah, I've called a few dealers in my area and they've all given the same price. Think it was $5.75/L or $28/5L ($5.60/L), taxes on top.

And I agree with the smoothness comment. The only times I've noticed the engines running 'real smooth' was on Red Line and, more recently, Toyota 0w20.
 
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Originally Posted By: blackman777
$5.39 is southern California. I did an analysis on my Honda insight, and it showed no wear difference from Mobil 1 0w-20, so I decided it was more convenient to get the M1 at Walmart.

Analysis: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3182815&page=1

$5.39: http://www.trademotion.com/parts/index.c...p;siteid=214915

Yes, that's a great, unbeatable price for a top-quality synthetic. If you live near Carson, California, you can order it through the Trademotion Web site of Carson Toyota and go pick it up will-call (in person) with no shipping charge. If you're a walk-in customer (not an online will-call customer), they will charge you a lot more than the $5.39 + 9.00% sales tax online price.

UOAs don't tell the entire story. Fuel economy, cold-engine performance, seal protection, cleaning, etc. are some of the many things UOAs can't measure. Also, a single UOA over a single try of an oil is not necessarily conclusive. Chances are that you would see the same UOA results with a conventional 5W-20 oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The High VI 0W-20's from Toyota, Honda and ENEOS shear by design close to 10% shortly after put into service. The HTHS vis drops from 2.6cP to 2.35-2.40cP but then stabilizes.


https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3234852/Re:_0w-50_options#Post3234852

From the king of the straw man argument.
That quote pertained to the original Nippon Oil made TGMO 0W-20 which hasn't been available for at least three years.
Not that 10% oil shear is unusual or unacceptable particularly in an OEM oil, but the current Mobil made SN version of TGMO has proven to be one of the more shear stable oils available.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The High VI 0W-20's from Toyota, Honda and ENEOS shear by design close to 10% shortly after put into service. The HTHS vis drops from 2.6cP to 2.35-2.40cP but then stabilizes.


https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3234852/Re:_0w-50_options#Post3234852


Is that good? Especially in a car that was back spec'd from a 30 grade to a 20 grade oil? Or would you be better off with something like Mobil 1 0W20 which is on the "thicker" side of a 20 grade if you decided to use a 20 grade in a back spec'd car?
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The High VI 0W-20's from Toyota, Honda and ENEOS shear by design close to 10% shortly after put into service. The HTHS vis drops from 2.6cP to 2.35-2.40cP but then stabilizes.


https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3234852/Re:_0w-50_options#Post3234852

From the king of the straw man argument.
That quote pertained to the original Nippon Oil made TGMO 0W-20 which hasn't been available for at least three years.
Not that 10% oil shear is unusual or unacceptable particularly in an OEM oil, but the current Mobil made SN version of TGMO has proven to be one of the more shear stable oils available.


OK, I'll hit notify and have it removed...
 
Given that we know more about TGMO than any other (well this version of the three versions)...we really don't have much in the way of fact, do we...
 
Looks like it might not be a strawman (or whatever), as I visited my local Toyota dealer today.

On display, they had:
* Synthetic 5w30, specifically designed by Toyota for your petrol or D4D (current diesel range) engine...$80 for 5L
* 10w30, specifically designed by Toyota for your petrol or D4D (current diesel range) engine....$50 for 5L
* 15w40, specifically designed by Toyota for your petrol or diesel engine.
* 20W-50, specifically designed by Toyota for your petrol or diesel engine.

Got the mythical brew behind the counter, and you have to ask for it especially...it's the oil that you need for the 86 according to the parts man...

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Tin states that the product is designed by Toyota for your toyota vehicle, but rather than being the current made by Mobil using proprietary additives provided by Toyota, this stuff is made in Japan...

does that mean it's the old stuff that shears down as you pour it in ?

Which version of the oil WAS designed for the Prius or the 86 ?

At $79.95 for 4 litres, it's priced over even the most expensive M1 product.
 
Well, it's SN so it can't be too old!

My dealer has bottles of the highly prized SM on his show room shelf.
 
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Tin states that the product is designed by Toyota for your toyota vehicle, but rather than being the current made by Mobil using proprietary additives provided by Toyota, this stuff is made in Japan...


I wonder WHO blends it for them in the Land Of The Rising Sun?
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Originally Posted By: Shannow

Which version of the oil WAS designed for the Prius or the 86 ?


My guess is the Prius since there is a TRD Motul 0W-20 in Oz used by a lot of 86 owners. Unless the TRD/Motul agreement ended.

-Dennis
 
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Originally Posted By: bluesubie
Originally Posted By: Shannow

Which version of the oil WAS designed for the Prius or the 86 ?


My guess is the Prius since there is a TRD Motul 0W-20 in Oz used by a lot of 86 owners. Unless the TRD/Motul agreement ended.

-Dennis

Misunderstood your question. Thought you were asking which car the oil is designed for.

Edit again! It's NZ that has the TRD/Motul 0W-20, not Oz! I need more
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Hi !
I have received the analysis results of the TGMO 0W-20 runing only 6.000 km in a TOYOTA Auris Hybride (identical as Prius)
The measured cinematic viscosity at 40°C is only 34 mm²/s.
Following the technical spécifications of Mobil, Motul and Total, it should be between 46 mm²/s and 49 mm²/s when new.
Do you think that's ok ?
 
Firstly you can't have a KV40 spec' that's too low for a 20 grade oil. The point is that the lower the KV40 is the higher the oil's viscosity index which is a good thing.

On this side of the Atlantic, TGMO 0W-20 has been tested with a KV40 nominally of 37.4cSt. If the European made version has a lower KV40 spec' all I can say is I wish we could get it.

Use the oil with confidence, it's a great product.
 
Originally Posted By: FIERZA
Hi !
I have received the analysis results of the TGMO 0W-20 runing only 6.000 km in a TOYOTA Auris Hybride (identical as Prius)
The measured cinematic viscosity at 40°C is only 34 mm²/s.
Following the technical spécifications of Mobil, Motul and Total, it should be between 46 mm²/s and 49 mm²/s when new.
Do you think that's ok ?


What's the visc at 100C?
 
More knowledge...

The quoted HTHS isn't an actual HTHS but a logical inference around what people believe is the "design philosophy" of the oil. (wonder how we can establish what it's sheared down to if we don't even know the start)....

and the Quoted NOAK are for an oil manufactured in Europe, not Mobil USA.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/is-toyota-0w-20-sn-made-in-heaven.179017/

Our in depth knowledge of this product is truly astounding.
 
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