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[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: jonny-b
Yes, I think you probably will use what you feel comfortable with.

No matter what I or other people says.

Old habits, die hard.

Also, if you don't have any room for trying out something new, then you are stuck with the "old" solutions, until "everyone" have tried it.
That way, you will never try anything new.
Quite boring, but safe.



I think you have me all wrong jonny. I tried Amsoil, A-Rx, Lubro Moly, Lubegard Biotech engine protectant, to name a few, all recently. I've been using MMO since the 1970's no point in changing that! So I have an open mind and try products. The only difference is the claims made by these companies were realistic, and several members had positive experiences. While one or two might have not lived up to my expectations, I kept an open mind. Others I was very satisfied with. I won't ever try a product that makes off the wall claims, then buys used oil back. Sorry. Quite boring, no sir, pretty smart IMO.

 

[Mystic]

One old habit I am not going to drop is being careful about what products I buy. I have found that various 'special' brands that are not available in local stores tend to disappoint. In general I have found that the motor oils that are available locally are just as good as the special brands you have to jump through a few hoops to get. And this is true not just with motor oils but other products as well.

I certainly am not going to go and buy something just because of what some people (a FEW people) I do not know say. Their endless song is 'You don't need no UOAs, you don't need no proof, all the proof you need is me (person unknown to you) telling you the product works as advertised, just see the website if you have any questions, and go buy some Synlube.' Yeah, that is going to make me a buyer, right.

The first two Synlube fans who show up are rude and insulting to anybody who questions anything they say. Guess what, at THIS website, people do have questions about motor oil. I guess they figure they can bully somebody into trying Synlube. That does not work for me. All I have to do is say no. And if the bullying does not work they say that you are 'frozen in time.'

Next thing we know the one Synlube fan who can't communicate very well disappears. And suddenly there is a new fan. Of course that could be just coincidence. THE RESULTS ARE IN! But there are no results. Just the same old song.

The new guy is at least (so far) more polite. But he says a lot of strange stuff such as saying that Mobil 1 is inferior to European conventional motor oils. Really? I thought Mobil 1 was the recommended oil in a few European cars. And Synlube, the 'world's greatest motor oil', is not recommended in any of those European cars. I wonder why?

I have been insulted several times by a couple of the Synlube fans. No way I would buy Synlube. Maybe some others here will give it a try. If so, maybe we will finally know for a FACT if Synlube is any good or not. In fact, if Synlube DOES NOT live up to the claims, this website right here could be the death of Synlube. A few ruined engines and a few bad UOAs would accomplish that.

But I really do not feel that very many people are going to fall for the hard sell for a product they know little about. Who is actually willing to give Synlube a try at about $30.00 a quart? At that price you are going to need to do some major mileage to have the oil pay for itself. And exactly what is that recommended mileage anyway? I have heard 50,000, 150,000, and even 300,000 miles. Who wants to try Synlube and go for 150,000 miles-one oil change?

 

[demarpaint]

Mystick, by the time the UOA's come in from members here Synlube will have packed their wagons and moved out of town. I get the feeling the last thing they want to see is a UOA report, especially side by side with one of our favorite Walmart stocked oils.

 

[jonny-b]

Hi, again.

Demarpaint, I did actually not include you, when I said "you". I meant Mystic.
I have seen that you have tried different things.

When I said "Quite boring, but safe", I think this is correct.

Some times, if you have the habit of sitting on the fence, the game will be over.

And to you Mystic:
You ask who will be willing to give Synlube a try, at some $30 a quart; I can tell you, that it is the guys who know elementary math, since they know that when ever they drain that quart and return it, they will get back the $30 they paid for it.

I almost give up, explaining this to you, over and over again.

You also tell that you have heard 50, 150 and also 300 K miles. All of them is correct, but are for different(the 50K mile oil)products and different(new vs used cars)vehicles.

This means: Synlube sell a variant of their oil, that they guarantee for 50000 miles.
Their Initial Fill oil will be good for a petrol car for 150000 miles (or 4000 hours) and for a diesel car for 2000 hours(but still 150000 miles).

For a brand new car (with less than 6000 miles on the odometer), they guarantee both diesel and petrol cars for 150000 miles (no hour limitations).

When I bought Synlube (some 3-4 years ago), Miro told me that they could give a guarantee 300000 miles(and it was on their homepage, too, if I remember correctly)if installed in a new car/engine.

Another thing that many doesn't know, is the third solid in Synlube, graphite.
A product called Krex ( http://www.krexinc.com/index.cfm/go/main.graphite_engine_lubricant ) is also being used, some places. It can tell what graphite does/doesn't.

Of course, Synlube doesn't tell all the things being in their oil, but some of it, does have well proven and good results.

What is interesting, is the end result, when you mix graphite, MOS2 and PTFE into this 100% synthetic multi-grade oil.

I will not spend any money, convincing you or others, to use this oil.
It's not anything in it for me.

But, I like to tell about it, and then you can decide what to do with.
I guess nothing, and that's OK by me.
It will cost nothing to sit in front of the computer and type, and as long as I think it's OK, I will try to answer questions, if I know the answer to them.
If I don't know, I will tell that I am just guessing.

For someone who has been considering to use Synlube, maybe over several years, this personal experience can mean something.

If you don't like it and what I tell about it, just move on.

If you expect me to make any effort to make you a believer in Synlube, think again.

I think you have a quite high expectations, about what steps I should be willing to take, just to give you "proof".

I think that no matter what "proof" I come up with, you will not accept it.
Every single person has his own perception of what he will consider to be "proof".

Besides, you tend to forget that I am just a user of a good product, not a place that sell it.

 

[Mystic]

Well demarpaint, this is the old separate and destroy technique. You sir, are willing to try out new things. My trying Tufoil, Amsoil, Redline products, Lubegard products, Auto-RX, Krex, BG Products, etc., does NOT count. He will now try to separate us.

And they most definitely do NOT want that UOA report. Especially if somebody actually tries to drive 150,000 miles on one oil change. They resist that UOA report at every opportunity. Can you imagine what that UOA report would look like after 150,000 miles-one oil change?

You went to their website and found out that the mileage is 50,000 miles. Somebody else went there and apparently if you buy OTHER Synlube expensive products, such as their oil filters and air filters, and if you don't have too many miles on your car, THEN you can go 150,000 miles. Heck, even 300,000 miles if you somehow can have Synlube put into a brand new car. I can see that happening at the car dealership. 'Sir, before I drive my new car even one mile, I want this Synlube oil, Synlube oil filter, and Synlube air filter installed.'

Apparently there is still hope that you, demarpaint, will be open minded and willing to buy Synlube. I think the books have been closed on me.

 

[demarpaint]

I think I figured it out Mystick. LOL. Us old farts are sticking together! LOL. They can't seperate and destroy us. Not even Kirk and his Foton Torpedos!

jonny-b $30 a bottle and your word that when I return the oil I get my $30 back or Miro's word? For something like that I'd sooner believe Shell, or XOM, or Amsoil for that matter. Maybe Miro would be kind enough to give me the oil, since I get my money back later on anyway. Then I can test it, post results and let the members decide. If I'm not a good enough member maybe someone who has been around longer would live up to Miro's expectations.

A while back you were pushing Cermet, Motorkote, and something else IIRC. If this Synlube was so good why would you need anything else? Or if those other engine treatments were so good why the Synlube? There was a product that you mentioned when added to oil that could actually seek out wear, and fill it in with a finish so hard it would last as long as new metal would. At least that was the impression myself and others got.

I almost get the feeling that since you've tried so many products that you have a deal going with these guys. They'll give you the product you come here, and on other sites, and push it for a certain amount of time, sort of a business agreement. There are a few members here doing just that. Free product, for testimony here, and NO not A-RX!!!!!! Funny thing is I have a few PM's from guys who think that is what is going on here, not something I made up.

 

[Trajan]

Have to love it. Only comes in 5w-50. INITIAL FILL is designed to be installed ONLY after Conventional Petroleum Motor Oil has been completely drained out and the Oil Filter has been replaced with MicroGlass Motor Oil Filter.

And why would I use this initial fill when I could use the universal oil, which is $6 cheaper?

And of course we have the "Exceeds all the....." claim.....

Microglass filters? Well, I didn't see one for mine, so I guess I can't use synlube anyway, even if I wanted to. Darn......

I didn't find any any product data sheet such as this http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.asp

I guess I'm old fashioned, frozen in time, closed minded, what have you. But I haven't seen about this, or Rev-X, for that matter, that would make me go against logic, common sense, science, or proven track record.

If one wants to use synlube, go right ahead. No one is going to stop you. But don't expect anyone to take on blind faith the fantastic claims made by the product.

 

[Mystic]

Hey, make that $150.00 if you have a five quart oil pan. The stuff costs some $30.00 a quart!

And at first I got the impression that jonny-b had gotten his money back, and then he said that he kept the used oil. So he could not actually get the money back? If he has the used oil he could send some in for a UOA. Would not cost much compared to the cost of the new Synlube.

Somebody went to the website and said that he could not find where it said you could get money back for the used oil. But in one of his replies jonny-b said that Synlube sells the used oil for $50.00! More than what it cost brand new!

Anybody who might be interested in buying this stuff should go through all of this thread. I know it would take time and would be tiresome. But so much different stuff has been said here that it can make your head spin.

One thing that really stands out for me is when jonny-b said that anybody who does their own oil changes has no life. Instead you should have Synlube installed (I guess you would want a mechanic to do that since if you do it yourself you have no life-tough for the mechanic) and then you can go 150,000 miles with no oil change. Of course to go the 150,000 miles you can't have more than 6000 miles on your car when the Synlube is installed and maybe you have to use the expensive Synlube oil filter and air filter. Otherwise you can go 50,000 miles with a used car and without the special filters. Or even 300,000 miles if you can convince the dealership to install it in your brand new car.

You still do have to change oil filters and probably air filters a few times. If you do those things yourself do you not have a life? Maybe have the poor mechanic do those things also so that you can have a life.

 

[c3po]

2.) Only 5% of customers change the SynLube into a FRESH FILL or keep vehicles “forever”
3.) 85% of SynLube customers replace their vehicles in 3 to 5 years

That is "Trade-Secret" PAO process that we share only with a specific supplier and it really is more like 26 years !!! Since it only took 22 years to perfect, no way I will tell you what is involved.

These comments are from the Miro, the Synlube guy, I got this from another website, and what is astonishing is that some things he posted I could not even Cut and Paste because they would violate board rules.

 

[Mystic]

Not to mention the fact that if the oil comes only in 5W50 it would probably void your warranty. The recommended viscosity for my car when it was brand new was 5W30. I could use 10W30 (warm weather only) and 0W30 in extreme cold. Later, before the Saturn dealership went to the Great Car Dealership in the Sky, they were telling me I could use 5W20. So using 5W50 oil would have voided my warranty anyway.

And exactly how much do these expensive oil and air filters cost? And if they are not available for every make of car you can't use Synlube anyway, or at least you can't go the 150,000 miles. You probably could go only the 50,000 miles.

This is some of the best fun I have ever had at this website!

 

[jonny-b]

Hi.

I think anyone who believes blindly, what is said on the web, is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

You must have the ability to find out via other sources, what several things are, for example the micro glass oil filter.
I read about MAN and their testing of micro glass filters, back in 1994. I remembered this, when I saw it on the Synlube homepage.

If you are not able to do even this thing, well, then it can be very safe to sit still and do nothing.

Hi, about Rev-x, I haven't actually been able to find so much about it.
Since it was only 33USD, I figured I would try it.

I did, and it solved a problem, then I decided to try it in another cars engine(that would need to be cleaned, anyway). It seem to do something there, too.

Still have been driven to little with it in the engine, to know what effect it will have there.
In transmissions, I know what it does.

And I like it.

Surprising that it does a difference in the engine, unless it's the F2-21(since I use both products).

Trajan, of course I am going to use Synlube, since I know what it does and how it performs.
I would be rather stupid NOT to use it, since I know how it performs.

However, I don't expect others to believe blindly in what I am saying.
Every single person must make their own experiences.

I just tell about my experience with it, as a counter weight to the statements from people who has NEVER tried it, but makes statements about it, like they knew every aspect about it.

How smart is that?

 

[Mystic]

Yeah, little chance that very many customers will actually drive 50,000 or 150,000 or 300,000 miles or whatever. Not with only 5% of customers keeping their vehicles long enough and with 85% of customers replacing their vehicles in 3 to 5 years.

The poor guy who buys the used car gets to find out just how good Synlube really is. After the warranty has been long since used up.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Mystick, by the time the UOA's come in from members here Synlube will have packed their wagons and moved out of town. I get the feeling the last thing they want to see is a UOA report, especially side by side with one of our favorite Walmart stocked oils.


I would probably advise jonny-b to send a sample of his oil to the member of his choice here at BITOG and we can get a UOA on his Synlube oil that has about 45,000 miles on it, if the Synlube oil is so good, I would think the UOA would look FANTASTIC, without a UOA this arguing will keep going on.

Without a UOA then there is no way this oil is better than any other oil we buy here on the shelves from Wal-Mart or from our favorite Amsoil Dealers on this site. We have a UOA Section as well as a VOA Section, so hopefully we can get jonny-b to offer us some new Synlube for a VOA.

jonny-b, this may look like I am calling you out, some members may think so, but my intention is to give you a chance to prove that Synlube is a great oil by looking at a VOA and a UOA.

 

[Mystic]

Yes jonny-b, if you have the used Synlube that went about 45,000 miles it would not cost you that much to send it to a bitgo member. It could be sent in for a UOA. Seems fair enough to me. We have your word on the 45,000 miles and maybe the oil anaysis people could tell anyway if there was likely 45,000 miles.

 

[Johnny]

Hey, if someone will pay for my SynLube kit, I will put it in one of my Hondas. I will send in a VOA to Terry Dyson for reference and send in a UOA every 10K until he tells me to change it out. I will then drain the oil and send the used oil back to SynLube for a refund and reimburse whoever makes the donation.

Any takers?

 

[demarpaint]

Maybe Miro will send some, then you can return it when Dyson says its ready to change out. No money needs to change hands, as long as you promise to return the used oil. You would be a perfect candidate. I wonder if he'll go for it? I did read the company seems to be against UOA though so that is the fly in the ointment!

 

[TurboJim]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
Any takers?


Sounds like a good idea to me. I'd be willing to make a small donation toward the cause.

 

[jonny-b]

Hi.
Yes, I have the used Synlube that went 45000 miles.

Together with it, I have the used Synlube, that I used in the Mazda Demio(petrol engine) that only went some 30000 miles.
We are going to sell the Mazda, and I hate to let some person throw this oil away, after only 30000 miles.

I was planning to use this oil in either the Nissan Sunny(after cleaning up the engine a bit), or in the Nissan Laurel.

The Sunny will be driven most, so I guess it will go into that one.

It will cost some money, to send it to the US.
That is the other fly in the ointment.

It will only cost 56 USD (326 NOK) to send a packet of 0-1 kilo to the US.

Normally, I would do it, but since I need to order another one from the US, I will also have to pay for the freight on that one, too(even though it is cheaper).

Give me one good reason to do it.

I have nothing to gain on it, and besides, I think it would cost less to get an oil sample from the US.
Just contact another user of this oil, that lives closer to you, and has done more than 100 000 miles on it.

Anyway, what difference would it make to you?

I have read enough about the arguments you have, to know that you would not use Synlube, unless you got it for free(and was able to return it, and get $32 for the used oil).

I don't consider this proposal to be serious.

You don't even want to get any info about other users(that you are free to contact) or about the oil.

What do you guys really want?

It is better to try it for yourself, then you won't be able to say afterwards, that I sent you an unused sample, or one sample that was only driven 1000 miles.
Remember, you still get your money back, when you return the used oil?

Or have you forgotten all about that matter?

 

[demarpaint]

I borrowed this quote from a very well respected member and authority in the lubrication industry. I think it fits well in this thread.

Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary

Personally that is why I stay clear of those products promoted by some on here as the answer to all and sundry - no magic lubricants are yet available - anywhere!


I'll take that as Gospel!

$150 for 5 qts of oil, not including the filter to run a test. Hardly worth it, if they think the product is that great and have no fear of the outcome they will donate it! I don't trust them to return the money. JMO

 

[jonny-b]

The point is: You can use the oil, take a sample and return the used oil and get money for it.

Can you return used Dino oil and get the same amount of money back as you paid for it?

I don't buy into your arguments, guys.

It's just excuses, because you don't have the guts to try something that is not known to you.

With all respect.