Like I said if the magazine picks the car you like or drive then..... YUP they got it right..... But if they pick another car or comany you dont like...... O they are full of it..... By the way I drove a SRT8 Dodge Challenger on Monday..... WOW.....But I would not purchase another Chrysler product..... You have to get past the WOW are realize how good that car will hold up in the long run....
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Ford has their act together! They seem to be making what people want.
In the end it's still a FWD car that's only sold in the US
I agree that Ford has there act together....They are light years ahead of Goverment Motors and Fiatslyer.....
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I agree that Ford has there act together....They are light years ahead of Goverment Motors and Fiatslyer.....
I wouldn't even agree with that. GM already has some very nice cars and more coming out soon. The only reason Ford didn't take govt money is because they restructured before the hard times of 2008. And if you don't think the Nippon companies don't take their government's money to help them corner markets, then shame on you. GM took a loan from the USA, which they are paying back ahead of schedule BTW.
I agree that Ford has there act together....They are light years ahead of Goverment Motors and Fiatslyer.....
I wouldn't even agree with that. GM already has some very nice cars and more coming out soon. The only reason Ford didn't take govt money is because they restructured before the hard times of 2008. And if you don't think the Nippon companies don't take their government's money to help them corner markets, then shame on you. GM took a loan from the USA, which they are paying back ahead of schedule BTW.
It was a bailout....and the tax payers did not even have a say so in it... They are a private company and should follow the SAME rules that others have to follow....NO goverment money....Period...
Originally Posted By: rszappa1
It was a bailout....and the tax payers did not even have a say so in it... They are a private company and should follow the SAME rules that others have to follow....NO goverment money....Period...
I agree with your sentimentsm but your state, as well as others, have handed out free money (constructively or realistically) that doesn't have to be paid back with interest.
Something to consider...
It was a bailout....and the tax payers did not even have a say so in it... They are a private company and should follow the SAME rules that others have to follow....NO goverment money....Period...
I agree with your sentimentsm but your state, as well as others, have handed out free money (constructively or realistically) that doesn't have to be paid back with interest.
Something to consider...
imports should be tarriffed you say.... Well actually if GM was not building junk for so many years they would not be in the problem they are along with Chrysler....
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Originally Posted By: rszappa1
It was a bailout....and the tax payers did not even have a say so in it... They are a private company and should follow the SAME rules that others have to follow....NO goverment money....Period...
You dont think that Toyota plant there in Georgetown gets any State or Federal money?
You know even less than I gave you credit for knowing.....sad.
It was a bailout....and the tax payers did not even have a say so in it... They are a private company and should follow the SAME rules that others have to follow....NO goverment money....Period...
You dont think that Toyota plant there in Georgetown gets any State or Federal money?
You know even less than I gave you credit for knowing.....sad.
Is Toyota being bailed out????? If they would need it you think the Gov. would.. NO Do they get state and federal money or tax breaks.... I think so ...But so is Goverment Motors plus a bailout...Not a very good run company I would say....
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Is Toyota being bailed out????? If they would need it you think the Gov. would.. NO Do they get state and federal money or tax breaks.... I think so ...But so is Goverment Motors plus a bailout...Not a very good run company I would say....
Fair enough, but from a pure numerical, monetary aspect it may not be completely as it seems (the end result anyway):
Let's make up an example --
Toyota gets cash or cash equivalents, constructively
15,000,000 (1,500 acres of land x $10,000, for this ex.)
________________
+ $15,000,000
GM gets cash or cash equivalents, constructively AND "bailout"
15,000,000
+ 3,000,000,000 CPP/TARP
_______________
+ 3,015,000,000
- 3,000,000,000 CPP/TARP payback
- 150,000,000 CPP/TARP interest @ 5% x 12 months
_______________
- $135,000,000
So would that be apples to apples?
Kind of a different situation. Toyota has built a lot more new plants in the past few decades than GM, I'm sure reaping the benefits of state subsidies all over. And more in the hundreds of millions per plant instead of my small example. I'd put my money on GM receiving a small fraction of state subsidies compared to Toyota in the last 20-30 years, and some quite recently.
Oh and, it isn't like they didn't try, I guess:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/03/2506461.htm
Is Toyota being bailed out????? If they would need it you think the Gov. would.. NO Do they get state and federal money or tax breaks.... I think so ...But so is Goverment Motors plus a bailout...Not a very good run company I would say....
Fair enough, but from a pure numerical, monetary aspect it may not be completely as it seems (the end result anyway):
Let's make up an example --
Toyota gets cash or cash equivalents, constructively
15,000,000 (1,500 acres of land x $10,000, for this ex.)
________________
+ $15,000,000
GM gets cash or cash equivalents, constructively AND "bailout"
15,000,000
+ 3,000,000,000 CPP/TARP
_______________
+ 3,015,000,000
- 3,000,000,000 CPP/TARP payback
- 150,000,000 CPP/TARP interest @ 5% x 12 months
_______________
- $135,000,000
So would that be apples to apples?
Kind of a different situation. Toyota has built a lot more new plants in the past few decades than GM, I'm sure reaping the benefits of state subsidies all over. And more in the hundreds of millions per plant instead of my small example. I'd put my money on GM receiving a small fraction of state subsidies compared to Toyota in the last 20-30 years, and some quite recently.
Oh and, it isn't like they didn't try, I guess:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/03/2506461.htm
Look into it rszappa, you might be surprised at how much Toyota gains from their governments policies. They might have even gotten a "loan" back at the end of 2009, bet you didnt hear about that
Regardless, this has nothing to do with the Ford Taurus, so why are you bashing GM in a Ford Taurus thread?
Regardless, this has nothing to do with the Ford Taurus, so why are you bashing GM in a Ford Taurus thread?
And Toyota providing many new jobs in America also...
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And Toyota providing many new jobs in America also...
No, they actually employ a paltry number of people here when compared to their US market share.
While they enjoy 20+% of the total US automobile market they employ a meager 7% of the total auto work force. OTOH, the domestics employ the vast majority of US auto industy employees, on the order of 65+%.
The, "they employ US people" is just some rationilization similar to a dog who's content that someone threw them a bone. Thats all we get from Toyota, a bone to give tools a talking point. Look at the numbers for yourself, they employ a sliver of the people that GM and Ford employ. That has always been the case.
And Toyota providing many new jobs in America also...
No, they actually employ a paltry number of people here when compared to their US market share.
While they enjoy 20+% of the total US automobile market they employ a meager 7% of the total auto work force. OTOH, the domestics employ the vast majority of US auto industy employees, on the order of 65+%.
The, "they employ US people" is just some rationilization similar to a dog who's content that someone threw them a bone. Thats all we get from Toyota, a bone to give tools a talking point. Look at the numbers for yourself, they employ a sliver of the people that GM and Ford employ. That has always been the case.
Looks like Toyota is a much more efficient company then GM.... GM employees more and still make cars that people dont want....Sounds like Goverment Motors is being run like the Goverment.....Cry all you want but if GM was not asleep at the wheel none of this would have happened to them..... There is no excuse for a poor run company and GM and Chrysler are....That is why they got into trouble and still are....
Then why cant Toyota pay their pension benefits? Why is Toyota taking federal tax dollars just like GM is in order to bail out their pensioners at NUMMI?
You dont have a clue!
http://www.pbgc.gov/media/news-archive/news-releases/2010/pr10-25.html
You dont have a clue!
http://www.pbgc.gov/media/news-archive/news-releases/2010/pr10-25.html
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Looks like Toyota is a much more efficient company then GM.... GM employees more and still make cars that people dont want....Sounds like Goverment Motors is being run like the Goverment.....
Thats what you get from those numbers?......lol......it's about efficiency and not about the large numbers they still import and employ offshore? Whatever, enjoy your bliss.
Looks like Toyota is a much more efficient company then GM.... GM employees more and still make cars that people dont want....Sounds like Goverment Motors is being run like the Goverment.....
Thats what you get from those numbers?......lol......it's about efficiency and not about the large numbers they still import and employ offshore? Whatever, enjoy your bliss.
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