Synthetic or Regular in this situation?

[wbwanzer]

I have a '13 Hyundai Veloster Turbo with about 5500 miles on it now. This is a 1.6 motor with direct injection and of course the turbo, making 201hp. The dealer I bought it from gives free oil and filter changes for life every 5000 miles (after the first one at 3000 miles). At the moment I'm not sure if they use synthetic or semi-synthetic or regular oil. I need to find out. Anyway, I'm planning to do my own oil changes in between the dealer changes. So the dealer will be changing every 5000 miles and I would be changing in between every 5000 miles with the end result being that the oil and filter gets changed every 2500 miles. This is probably overkill but I've been in the habit of changing my own oil every 3000 - 3500 miles for the last 40 years. So I wouldn't mind doing the changes every 5000 miles between dealer changes. If I follow this plan, should I use synthetic or would dino be good enough considering that it will only be in the motor for approx. 2500 miles? I could also make my own blend of 50/50 synthetic and regular. How hard is the turbo on oil? This is my first turbo motor.

Thaks for any input.

 

[Brybo86]

forget doing changes in between a 2500 mile OCI is WAYY overkill regardless of the oil

If you insist on the 2500 OCI I would go with the cheapest 5w30 SM you can find.

Would you also change the filter at 2500 or just the oil?

 

[wemay]

Dealer uses conventional oil. Hyundai does not require synthetic. I was a huge proponent of synthetic for every turbo application until i bought a Hyundai and saw that the syn was not a spec, as it is not with many turbo manufacturers. Now, after reading how hard our di engines are on oil (and my own internal dino v syn debate,Lol), i bring my own syn to the dealer because i have the same package (only 9 OC though, not for life like yours). But if changeing every 2500 miles? you will be fine with conventional imho. Overkill? absolutely.

 

[wbwanzer]

Originally Posted By: Brybo86
Would you also change the filter at 2500 or just the oil?


I was going to do filters also.

 

[dlundblad]

This is coming from a youngin, but you hit the nail on the head with the 40 yrs comment. Back then smaller OCIs were needed because of the lower quality oil. Now 5000 is nothing. My mom has a 2013 Elantra and she gets free oil changes as well. I asked one day what they used and it was a blend. As long as whatever they use doesn't void the warranty then you're golden. (I know subis need synthetic because of the turbo bearings... But other than that I don't know much about turbos and their oil etc. )

 

[wbwanzer]

Originally Posted By: wemay
Dealer uses conventional oil. Hyundai does not require synthetic. I was a huge proponent of synthetic for every turbo application until i bought a Hyundai and saw that the syn was not a spec, as it is not with many turbo manufacturers. Now, after reading how hard our di engines are on oil, i bring my own syn to the dealer because i have the same package (only 9 OC though, not for life like yours). But if changeing every 2500 miles? you will be fine with conventional imho. Overkill? absolutely.

If I confirm that the dealer uses conventional oil, then I would feel better doing a change in between theirs.

 

[dlundblad]

The one we were at the guy said they used Maxlife. Seems like a lot of dealers around here use that stuff. I thought it was odd because they used HM oil in a car with 7500 miles on it.

 

[wemay]

I should have been more clear. The dealers i have worked with (2) and read about (on Hyundai forums), use conventional as part of the maint. pkg. You can request synthetic or blend for an extra cost.

 

[glock19]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
The one we were at the guy said they used Maxlife. Seems like a lot of dealers around here use that stuff. I thought it was odd because they used HM oil in a car with 7500 miles on it.


I wouldn't want to put HM oil in a brand new car. I would think that would swell the seals early and then if you ever didn't use HM oil you would be getting leaks and consumption.

 

[901Memphis]

Synthetic yourself and change it between 6000-7000.

 

[440Magnum]

You're gonna wear out the threads on the oil drain plug. I'll be blunt: 2500 mile OCI is ridiculous these days. Even on an engine that's as hard on oil as some Nissans are.

 

[accent2012]

I think other veloster turbo owner enthusiast may suggest an oil specced for turboed engines similar to what volkswagon uses.

Turbo Sonata owners complained about excessive noise when using 5w20 oil (either synthetic or conventional) in the engine, which is already noisy enough due to the fuel injectors. People feared of excessive wear when using 5w20 under such extreme driving conditions.

Heck in my Accent manual, which uses the same 1.6L GDI engine (except no turbo) it says to use 5w30 in cases where excessive/extreme engine use occurs.

 

[walk23]

From here on BITOG, fresh oil initially wears more in the 1st 1000 miles than over the course of the OCI. You maybe causing higher overall wear by changing too often. Depletion of the additives seems to be the ideal point for OCI's if I read right and explains the need for TBN when doing a UOA's.

 

[stchman]

To find out what brand/weight oil the dealer uses, you should ask them.

If they are going to change the oil and filter for you for life for free every 5K, let them.

Changing your oil regardless of synthetic or not every 3K miles is complete overkill.

If you want to use full synthetic, bring your own oil with you and have them put it in.

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted By: walk23
From here on BITOG, fresh oil initially wears more in the 1st 1000 miles than over the course of the OCI. You maybe causing higher overall wear by changing too often. Depletion of the additives seems to be the ideal point for OCI's if I read right and explains the need for TBN when doing a UOA's.

This is the guy I've paraphrased several times.

Quote:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.autos.makers.saturn/matfrqy9psM/GbLFOkQZ9U4J

As for this discussion on oil change intervals, I have seen good oils
fail at 1500 miles and average oils run to 12,000 miles before failing.
It is certainly equipment and duty cycle related. I recommend 5-7k mile
oil change intervals for most people. If towing or high idle time this
can be reduced. One interesting point is that fresh oil will have a
higher wear rate until the ZDDP antiwear is activated(oxidized). The
wear rates of some 60-70 oils that I have tested improves over the first
1000 miles or so.

Edward B. Kollin
exxon Research and Engineering Advanced Fuels and Lubes Group

 

[davebarnum]

I have a feeling you're going to see a lot of this:

Originally Posted By: wemay
Dealer uses conventional oil. Hyundai does not require synthetic. I was a huge proponent of synthetic for eve But if changeing every 2500 miles? you will be fine with conventional imho. Overkill? absolutely.

 

[Ayrton]

I think the OP wants to utilize the dealership free changes to have dealer inspection and relationship on a regular basis?

I can understand wanting to keep the relationship/oil changes with the dealership while under warranty. However, isn't a warranty on Hyundai very long? I don't know how convenient it is to go to dealership every 5,000 miles, but if you don't mind, go ahead. Their hope is that eventually you will pay for other maintenance services.

Of course, it does keep your records looking nice.

If you felt good about the oil they use, I would stay at their 5,000 mile changes. This is not over the top even with a turbo.

Ideally, if you did them yourself only, you could do 5,000 mile changes with the best priced synthetic.

I'd try to find out what they use and if it's a decent oil, let the dealer keep doing it, until you get tired of taking it in.

Of course, you could take oil to the dealer, but then you will wonder if they really used it, you lose the free oil, etc. etc.

Find out what oil they use, and then let us know! Good luck!

Also note, if you still can't get a good answer on what oil they use, you could do an oil analysis 3 or 4,000 miles into the next fill and see how it's doing and what it's made of.

 

[wbwanzer]

Originally Posted By: Ayrton
I think the OP wants to utilize the dealership free changes to have dealer inspection and relationship on a regular basis?

Find out what oil they use, and then let us know! Good luck!



The sticker that the dealer put on the windshield to remind me of the next oil change says Quaker State, but does not indicate whether synthetic or not. Who knows if they actually used QS. Matter of fact, there is a page in the owners manual that says Quaker State should/could be used. 5w30 is the specified weight with 5W-40 as a possibility also.

 

[glock19]

Originally Posted By: wbwanzer
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
I think the OP wants to utilize the dealership free changes to have dealer inspection and relationship on a regular basis?

Find out what oil they use, and then let us know! Good luck!



The sticker that the dealer put on the windshield to remind me of the next oil change says Quaker State, but does not indicate whether synthetic or not. Who knows if they actually used QS. Matter of fact, there is a page in the owners manual that says Quaker State should/could be used. 5w30 is the specified weight with 5W-40 as a possibility also.


The only real way to know what they used is to ask. If they're using QSUD, I would just go in every 5K and skip doing your own changes.

 

[wemay]

It took me forever to discover that the oil my dealership uses isnt QS as the sticker stated. When asked, all they would say is its a bulk oil from a distributor named Flamingo. I called Flamingo and asked what oils were supplied. Thay placed me in touch with the Salesman that actually sold to this dealer. They dont use QS. They use something named Maximo 5w30 (What?!) as the conventional. They use EcoPower Syn blend as the top end lube (NOT A SYN). From this, I started bringing my own oil in and standing near the bay opening where I can see the usage of my oil. BTW, the other dealership uses Formula Shell and Formula Shell Syn.