Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Well than why is 30 and 40 weight speced in the rest of the world?
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Well than why is 30 and 40 weight speced in the rest of the world?
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synthetic for hot climates and high RPMs
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Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Well than why is 30 and 40 weight speced in the rest of the world?
You will find 10w30 runs smoother, a good choice in summer.
Autobahn.
Many feel the higher speeds like 140, 160, 120MPH, etc. that usually do not get seen here
make Thicker oil necessary, such as 10W-60s (!) and 5W-50s, or at least the ever-popular German Car 0W-40.
Compare this to 5W-20, 5w30, and 10w30/40.
Interesting to note, Temperature may not be a concern, more Engine Load and Design as Germany and England, Italy may or may not get as hot as us, they seem to be up North more on the Earth. Unless im just wrong on that one.
Then we say Thick Oil is unnecessary.
Well than why is 30 and 40 weight speced in the rest of the world?
You will find 10w30 runs smoother, a good choice in summer.
Autobahn.
Many feel the higher speeds like 140, 160, 120MPH, etc. that usually do not get seen here
Compare this to 5W-20, 5w30, and 10w30/40.
Interesting to note, Temperature may not be a concern, more Engine Load and Design as Germany and England, Italy may or may not get as hot as us, they seem to be up North more on the Earth. Unless im just wrong on that one.
Then we say Thick Oil is unnecessary.
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Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Well than why is 30 and 40 weight speced in the rest of the world?
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I'm saying the "approval" for 20 weight here is no reason not to use 30.
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Well than why is 30 and 40 weight speced in the rest of the world?
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I'm saying the "approval" for 20 weight here is no reason not to use 30.
A 30 grade should work just fine. My beef is using a 50 grade in an engine calling for a 20 grade. To me it makes no sense unless the person can't keep oil in an engine, and has problems he's trying to correct. The OP is talking about a new car with a full mfg guarantee. If it were mine I'd use a 20 grade. JMO
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 now running 5w50 motorcraft (conoco?). MFG specs, right now, call for 5w20. Would welcome any suggestions on what type of synthetic oil to run for Atlanta area, approx 300 miles/week and acclerate through the gears quickly at higher RPMs.
BTW, are there still any syn. oils derived from fuel any longer or are all just crude-based now?
Redline oil 5w20
Handles heat and can definately hold up to the high rpms.
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 now running 5w50 motorcraft (conoco?). MFG specs, right now, call for 5w20. Would welcome any suggestions on what type of synthetic oil to run for Atlanta area, approx 300 miles/week and acclerate through the gears quickly at higher RPMs.
BTW, are there still any syn. oils derived from fuel any longer or are all just crude-based now?
Redline oil 5w20
Handles heat and can definately hold up to the high rpms.
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How about a good synth 15W50? Amsoil,Redline,and Mobil 1 make these weights.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
How about a good synth 15W50? Amsoil,Redline,and Mobil 1 make these weights.
For a small v8 motor we're dealing with here,theres no need for a 15-weight oil.
How about a good synth 15W50? Amsoil,Redline,and Mobil 1 make these weights.
For a small v8 motor we're dealing with here,theres no need for a 15-weight oil.
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 now running 5w50 motorcraft (conoco?). MFG specs, right now, call for 5w20.
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
I was told by Detroit to put 5w50 into a coyote motor that came in for a concern and to continue running it....Cap says one thing Detroit another. ??
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
Coyote is the new 5.0 motor. Detroit = engineers.
Guys you need to understand that some of us who got the early 5.0's have been working with Livonia on some issues. My car has a component on it right now that wont be on production cars until Mid-August. It is the third of that component I have had. I was contacted by a Systems Engineer and asked to try some parts because I had one of the units affected. Likely because of unique tolerance stackup.
I dont know what to tell you on the oil except that the "Noisy Valvetrain" Syndrome has been reported on full synthetic from 0W20 to 5W50.
I assume by your comments you are looking for a non-GIII Oil?
Amsoil (Excepting XL) and Redline contain no GIII. Amsoil and Redline are primarily GIV PAO. Motul makes some all GV POE based oils. Their are also the RLI GV/GIV Oils. Royal Purple is a GIV PAO based oil.
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 now running 5w50 motorcraft (conoco?). MFG specs, right now, call for 5w20.
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
I was told by Detroit to put 5w50 into a coyote motor that came in for a concern and to continue running it....Cap says one thing Detroit another. ??
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
Coyote is the new 5.0 motor. Detroit = engineers.
Guys you need to understand that some of us who got the early 5.0's have been working with Livonia on some issues. My car has a component on it right now that wont be on production cars until Mid-August. It is the third of that component I have had. I was contacted by a Systems Engineer and asked to try some parts because I had one of the units affected. Likely because of unique tolerance stackup.
I dont know what to tell you on the oil except that the "Noisy Valvetrain" Syndrome has been reported on full synthetic from 0W20 to 5W50.
I assume by your comments you are looking for a non-GIII Oil?
Amsoil (Excepting XL) and Redline contain no GIII. Amsoil and Redline are primarily GIV PAO. Motul makes some all GV POE based oils. Their are also the RLI GV/GIV Oils. Royal Purple is a GIV PAO based oil.
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 now running 5w50 motorcraft (conoco?). MFG specs, right now, call for 5w20. Would welcome any suggestions on what type of synthetic oil to run for Atlanta area, approx 300 miles/week and acclerate through the gears quickly at higher RPMs.
BTW, are there still any syn. oils derived from fuel any longer or are all just crude-based now?
FORDMOPAR70 are you the guy with the "Knocking" Motor?
If so I dont know what I can really say to help. I have not heard the noise so I dont know if its truly normal or not. My guess is either its normal or they will be replacing your engine under warranty shortly.
As I understand it Engineering has given you and the dealer the okay to try other oils to make the engine run more quietly. I would start with Shell Rotella T6 5W40 Full Synthetic which is a GIII but is made primarily out of Shells excellent XHVI Base Stock and is a very Robust Oil. It is SM rated for Gasoline Engines. You can get 2 Gallons for $38 at WalMart. I would also try the Wix 57502 or NAPA Gold 7502 (Wix) filter which I believe to be the same as the OEM FOMOCO Filter (Although I cant imagine how the Motorcraft FL500S could be the problem). The filters can be gotten through O'Reilly's or NAPA. I think the NAPA version is around $6 Jobber Price.
Sorry for your problem. I did my initial change with MC 5W20 SB and MC FL500S and have not noticed any unusual noises. Sorry I cant be more help.
You might consider retaining Terry Dyson's services and sending a sample once you have settled on one oil for him to interpret. Maybe if their is something going on internally he can spot it.
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 now running 5w50 motorcraft (conoco?). MFG specs, right now, call for 5w20. Would welcome any suggestions on what type of synthetic oil to run for Atlanta area, approx 300 miles/week and acclerate through the gears quickly at higher RPMs.
BTW, are there still any syn. oils derived from fuel any longer or are all just crude-based now?
FORDMOPAR70 are you the guy with the "Knocking" Motor?
If so I dont know what I can really say to help. I have not heard the noise so I dont know if its truly normal or not. My guess is either its normal or they will be replacing your engine under warranty shortly.
As I understand it Engineering has given you and the dealer the okay to try other oils to make the engine run more quietly. I would start with Shell Rotella T6 5W40 Full Synthetic which is a GIII but is made primarily out of Shells excellent XHVI Base Stock and is a very Robust Oil. It is SM rated for Gasoline Engines. You can get 2 Gallons for $38 at WalMart. I would also try the Wix 57502 or NAPA Gold 7502 (Wix) filter which I believe to be the same as the OEM FOMOCO Filter (Although I cant imagine how the Motorcraft FL500S could be the problem). The filters can be gotten through O'Reilly's or NAPA. I think the NAPA version is around $6 Jobber Price.
Sorry for your problem. I did my initial change with MC 5W20 SB and MC FL500S and have not noticed any unusual noises. Sorry I cant be more help.
You might consider retaining Terry Dyson's services and sending a sample once you have settled on one oil for him to interpret. Maybe if their is something going on internally he can spot it.
No knock here, yet anyway. This recommendation, 5w50, was made for another vehicle which did exhibit a very unusual noise and 5w50 did not change that noise. I am begining to understand this recommended change is nothing more that an attempt to see what may change an engine noise and make it better. Originally I thought there may be a recommended change to 5w50 but the more I think about it this seems to be unlikely. The only thing I can say for sure is two of us have changed to full synthetic oil and have ended up with additional clatter, tick noises? WTH? Another difference is the engine appears to pull harder with synthetic, not a huge difference but a noticeable one. I don't want to borrow trouble here so am changing to a lighter weight oil.
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Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 now running 5w50 motorcraft (conoco?). MFG specs, right now, call for 5w20.
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
I was told by Detroit to put 5w50 into a coyote motor that came in for a concern and to continue running it....Cap says one thing Detroit another. ??
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
Coyote is the new 5.0 motor. Detroit = engineers.
Guys you need to understand that some of us who got the early 5.0's have been working with Livonia on some issues. My car has a component on it right now that wont be on production cars until Mid-August. It is the third of that component I have had. I was contacted by a Systems Engineer and asked to try some parts because I had one of the units affected. Likely because of unique tolerance stackup.
I dont know what to tell you on the oil except that the "Noisy Valvetrain" Syndrome has been reported on full synthetic from 0W20 to 5W50.
I assume by your comments you are looking for a non-GIII Oil?
Amsoil (Excepting XL) and Redline contain no GIII. Amsoil and Redline are primarily GIV PAO. Motul makes some all GV POE based oils. Their are also the RLI GV/GIV Oils. Royal Purple is a GIV PAO based oil.
please let me know & keep me updated as things progress with your situation. Thanks.
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
2011 Mustang GT 5.0 now running 5w50 motorcraft (conoco?). MFG specs, right now, call for 5w20.
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
I was told by Detroit to put 5w50 into a coyote motor that came in for a concern and to continue running it....Cap says one thing Detroit another. ??
Originally Posted By: FORDMOPAR70
Coyote is the new 5.0 motor. Detroit = engineers.
Guys you need to understand that some of us who got the early 5.0's have been working with Livonia on some issues. My car has a component on it right now that wont be on production cars until Mid-August. It is the third of that component I have had. I was contacted by a Systems Engineer and asked to try some parts because I had one of the units affected. Likely because of unique tolerance stackup.
I dont know what to tell you on the oil except that the "Noisy Valvetrain" Syndrome has been reported on full synthetic from 0W20 to 5W50.
I assume by your comments you are looking for a non-GIII Oil?
Amsoil (Excepting XL) and Redline contain no GIII. Amsoil and Redline are primarily GIV PAO. Motul makes some all GV POE based oils. Their are also the RLI GV/GIV Oils. Royal Purple is a GIV PAO based oil.
please let me know & keep me updated as things progress with your situation. Thanks.
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Who is this Tony Dyson, you speak of? How do I get in touch with him?
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: river_rat
^^^ That doesn't mean I'm against 20 weight at all, but I am running 30 in my 20 spec truck in the summer now with no issues.
It is not a huge difference.
Right. Not that much difference.
Originally Posted By: river_rat
^^^ That doesn't mean I'm against 20 weight at all, but I am running 30 in my 20 spec truck in the summer now with no issues.
It is not a huge difference.
Right. Not that much difference.
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Changed oil to 5w30 Pennz synthetic and initial results are the engine is quieter than 5w20 motorcraft syn blend or 5w50 motorcraft full synthetic. I found this rather interesting.....
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/2011-mustang/
see post "problems new 5.0 not chitchat"
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/2011-mustang/
see post "problems new 5.0 not chitchat"
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If there is any truth to this it certainly is a good case to wait a year or so before buying a vehicle when a new engine design is released. I don't think oil will fix this problem, that is if there is any truth to the story.
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Guys. I was at my girlfriends this evening and her son was there. He is an engineer and worked at Ford for 12 years. He was speaking with an engineer at Ford about the new 5.0 engines ( they are built here in Windsor where we live) He was told that they are having problems. the block is flexing. they are trying something with bearing changes etc. they said they are definately not going to put the engine in trucks as planned as under load they are expecting problems. What great news. I have a Gt on order and after hearing this, I don't know what I am going to do. I have been a certifiied Machinist for 40 years and have built my share of engines. I know that if the blocks are not ridgid enough, there is no simple fix with out redesign to strengthen the components. I sure hope we arent going to get lemons in the first year of this engine. I am concerned to say the least. Anyone else heard anything ?
Randy
Problems with new 5.0 engine not [censored] chat
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Guys. I was at my girlfriends this evening and her son was there. He is an engineer and worked at Ford for 12 years. He was speaking with an engineer at Ford about the new 5.0 engines ( they are built here in Windsor where we live) He was told that they are having problems. the block is flexing. they are trying something with bearing changes etc. they said they are definately not going to put the engine in trucks as planned as under load they are expecting problems. What great news. I have a Gt on order and after hearing this, I don't know what I am going to do. I have been a certifiied Machinist for 40 years and have built my share of engines. I know that if the blocks are not ridgid enough, there is no simple fix with out redesign to strengthen the components. I sure hope we arent going to get lemons in the first year of this engine. I am concerned to say the least. Anyone else heard anything ?
Randy
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
If there is any truth to this it certainly is a good case to wait a year or so before buying a vehicle when a new engine design is released. I don't think oil will fix this problem, that is if there is any truth to the story.
Problems with new 5.0 engine not [censored] chat
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Guys. I was at my girlfriends this evening and her son was there. He is an engineer and worked at Ford for 12 years. He was speaking with an engineer at Ford about the new 5.0 engines ( they are built here in Windsor where we live) He was told that they are having problems. the block is flexing. they are trying something with bearing changes etc. they said they are definately not going to put the engine in trucks as planned as under load they are expecting problems. What great news. I have a Gt on order and after hearing this, I don't know what I am going to do. I have been a certifiied Machinist for 40 years and have built my share of engines. I know that if the blocks are not ridgid enough, there is no simple fix with out redesign to strengthen the components. I sure hope we arent going to get lemons in the first year of this engine. I am concerned to say the least. Anyone else heard anything ?
Randy
I found this interesting. people have run nitrous on these 5.0 engines with no problem; you would think if this were a real issue we would have heard about some of these engines letting go. The above thread is an intersting read to say the least.
If there is any truth to this it certainly is a good case to wait a year or so before buying a vehicle when a new engine design is released. I don't think oil will fix this problem, that is if there is any truth to the story.
Problems with new 5.0 engine not [censored] chat
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Guys. I was at my girlfriends this evening and her son was there. He is an engineer and worked at Ford for 12 years. He was speaking with an engineer at Ford about the new 5.0 engines ( they are built here in Windsor where we live) He was told that they are having problems. the block is flexing. they are trying something with bearing changes etc. they said they are definately not going to put the engine in trucks as planned as under load they are expecting problems. What great news. I have a Gt on order and after hearing this, I don't know what I am going to do. I have been a certifiied Machinist for 40 years and have built my share of engines. I know that if the blocks are not ridgid enough, there is no simple fix with out redesign to strengthen the components. I sure hope we arent going to get lemons in the first year of this engine. I am concerned to say the least. Anyone else heard anything ?
Randy
I found this interesting. people have run nitrous on these 5.0 engines with no problem; you would think if this were a real issue we would have heard about some of these engines letting go. The above thread is an intersting read to say the least.
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Well just got back from taking out the 5.0 - I put about 30 miles of hard driving on it. The results...... 5w30 Pennzoil platinum oil is much quieter. Funny thing, 5w50 synthetic appears to change the power band on this motor. There is a noticeable difference between 5w50 and 5w30. It must have something to do with the oils affect on the TI VCT cams. I blieve I will stick with 5w30 Pennz.
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