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You know Trajan those are some pretty incredible statements made by Milo Kefurt. Since Synlube is no longer classified as a strategic material there should be some documentation somewhere that it once was a stragetic material. I would like to see that documentation.

I assume that the documentation would be available now if the government decided to declassify Synlube.

And if the statement made by Milo Kefurt is not true, and Synlube was never a strategic material-then that says a lot right there.
 
I doubt synlube was one. Strategic materials, we import a great many of them. We need them to keep the industries running.

Chromium, cobalt, manganese, are just a few.

He couldn't possibly blend enough to be even a faint blip of kirk's sensors, let alone qualify as a strategic material.

As for NASA, they buy all kinds of things. I'm sure somewhere there's a paper clip maker who boasts "NASA uses our paper clips!!"
 
Well, it could be clever wording. There's lots of stuff we cannot get here that's IS available almost everywhere else ..and to the military. They don't have to be anything special, just stuff that our commerce dept doesn't want let in this side of the border.

Try buying XD-3 synthetics in the US. Now these CAN be had. That is, there's no prohibition on them, they just aren't a commercially imported item.

Butter cannot be imported into the US. That's why Danish cookies and German and Austrian chocolate appears real cheap at places like Aldi.

If the stuff was made in Russia before a certain year and Miro didn't pay the right tribute with a good lobby agency, ..well, he just would get no love...
 
But butter isn't a strategic material. I don't think XD-3 is either. Cigars from Havana are hard to get here, least I couldn't get them :)

Anyhow, and I don't know where really to ask this.

Why would an oil company run a FTP-75 test?
 
All of this talk about Synlube being a strategic material at one time seems to me to be a diversion or smoke screen.

At this website people are interested in finding the best motor oils, oil filters, and other automotive products they can find to use in their cars and trucks. People submit oil samples of new and used oil all the time to be checked out. VOAs and UOAs are presented here all the time.

People come to this website expecting the members here to start using Synlube just on the words of people they do not know. Apparently not many people of the bitgo nature have tried this product because we would have seen a VOA or UOA posted. Heck, if I knew of and had used a motor oil that could actually go 150,000 miles without being changed I would personally be eager to present a UOA.

The only use of this oil by a member that I am aware of resulted in the dealership of that member stating that the oil was badly sludged up and the dealership flushing the engine and putting in fresh conventional motor oil.

Checks into the Synlube business in LV Nevada has revealed a lot of negative stuff.

People at this website do not use a motor oil just because of what a few people say. A few people, I might add, that are unknown to the people here. People at this website want some actual evidence that a motor oil is good. Am I wrong?
 
Actually, you are correct, this website loves to see VOA's on a new oil when it comes out or on any oil we may think of using, look at Pennzoil Ultra, I saw a VOA on the stuff before it was even on the shelves at Wal-Mart. The VOA on Pennzoil Ultra looks good.

Pretty soon we will be getting some UOA's on Pennzoil Ultra and then members can decide if this oil is for them or not.

If any motor oil wants to gain a following on BITOG they better be able to provide a VOA and back it up with a UOA, that's just the way it goes around here.
 
I think we are a fairly open-minded group here and want to see technology advancements in lubricants of all kinds.

But I think members will push back or resist high pressure tactics, as members would prefer an introduction, a show-and- tell VOA and UOA, and a discussion of the pro's and con's of any new lubricant. I.E., members should be and are, skeptical of broad-based claims without significant data to back up the claims made.

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The only use of this oil by a member that I am aware of resulted in the dealership of that member stating that the oil was badly sludged up and the dealership flushing the engine and putting in fresh conventional motor oil.


In this case I think we should allow a reasonable doubt as to whether or not the technician or mechanic had the knowledge and experience to assess the quality of this oil. A technician or mechanic looking at an oil with three colloids of solid particles might mistake an oil of this type as looking sludgy by its appearance.

In my view, all the claims of strategic materials or other ancillary claims is irrelevant and non sequitur.
 
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Originally Posted By: c3po
Actually, you are correct, this website loves to see VOA's on a new oil when it comes out or on any oil we may think of using, look at Pennzoil Ultra, I saw a VOA on the stuff before it was even on the shelves at Wal-Mart. The VOA on Pennzoil Ultra looks good.

Pretty soon we will be getting some UOA's on Pennzoil Ultra and then members can decide if this oil is for them or not.

If any motor oil wants to gain a following on BITOG they better be able to provide a VOA and back it up with a UOA, that's just the way it goes around here.

Some people feel differently apparently:

"Miro Kefurt
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Posted Tue March 16 2010 06:06 PM Hide Post

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A VOA would tell, but why would someone want to waste their money to find out?

FINALLY someone boldly admits that VOA is a waste of money !!!

And why would you want to waste you time to know, when you have no need or reason to know !"
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Because a VOA and the first UOA gives you a baseline by which to assess the oil and relative engine wear..

Exactly, that's why VOA's are so helpful. I don't like it much when folks say "there is no need for you to know" and want you to take everything on authority from them.

These synlube folks could learn some lessons from Pennzoil, who are taking the exact opposite approach, soliciting questions, answering questions, supplying data, etc.

Synlube seems to rely on having an ignorant customer base to accept their dribble on authority. Pictures of models on top of Ferrari's and claiming it's their car? Come on. In this information age, I believe Pennzoil's approach will be much more successful.
 
Originally Posted By: saaber1
Originally Posted By: c3po
Actually, you are correct, this website loves to see VOA's on a new oil when it comes out or on any oil we may think of using, look at Pennzoil Ultra, I saw a VOA on the stuff before it was even on the shelves at Wal-Mart. The VOA on Pennzoil Ultra looks good.

Pretty soon we will be getting some UOA's on Pennzoil Ultra and then members can decide if this oil is for them or not.

If any motor oil wants to gain a following on BITOG they better be able to provide a VOA and back it up with a UOA, that's just the way it goes around here.

Some people feel differently apparently:

"Miro Kefurt
Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts

Posted Tue March 16 2010 06:06 PM Hide Post

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A VOA would tell, but why would someone want to waste their money to find out?

FINALLY someone boldly admits that VOA is a waste of money !!!

And why would you want to waste you time to know, when you have no need or reason to know !"


Don't foget this Miro gem "My basic question to all of you who are not even familiar or have ever used SynLube, what gives you any authotiry to even discuss it !?"
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Don't foget this Miro gem "My basic question to all of you who are not even familiar or have ever used SynLube, what gives you any authotiry to even discuss it !?"

Unbelievable, someone needs to put that quote in their signature.

I guess none of us can penetrate into the rarefied air of models, exotic cars, and incomprehensible engineering knowledge that exists in his mind.
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: captain_kirk
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Just when I thought these clowns packed up and left. I'm pretty certain the past week or so here cost them dearly. Maybe if they hang in there a little longer with the insults we'll start buying.


IF you look at all the post,..it is many of the sketpics who are doing all of the insulting,and being disrespectfull!! Any time in the past when someone chimed in with sincere information they were insulted on the spot. All of the past posts prove my point,just go back and read some of them regarding many threads on this topic. The skeptics are the only ones making up things as they go as they give their insults. What you don't like,.. is when we defend ourselves!! That's your defnition of insult?? Your posts prove that!!

You,..the skeptics can bash alllll you want,..go for it as you always have,..it's expected by now,....that's all you know how to do is insult people. Your unwarranted negative attitudes and nastyness won't change the positive facts/results, and science regarding this lubricant,...or whatever else you don't understand!!!

Well, my good captain, you and your fellow agents have sown the wind with your attitudes toward those who dared to excersize some basic common semse toward the latest miracle in a can.

And now you reap the whirlwind.


Trajen, You are indeed quite the poet,and philosopher!!

Remember,..common sense and science do not always go hand in hand. Example,..why does ice form at the top of a body of water when cold water sinks? Common sense would lead one to believe the ice should be at the bottom where all the cold water is. Lesson,...truth/science really is stranger than fiction. I have plenty more examples of "weird science",...If your interested and open minded.

Now who is the philosopher?
 
It will be science that shows what Synlube is all about too. Only it won't be weird science, just a VOA. Just a matter of time..........
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: captain_kirk
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Just when I thought these clowns packed up and left. I'm pretty certain the past week or so here cost them dearly. Maybe if they hang in there a little longer with the insults we'll start buying.


IF you look at all the post,..it is many of the sketpics who are doing all of the insulting,and being disrespectfull!! Any time in the past when someone chimed in with sincere information they were insulted on the spot. All of the past posts prove my point,just go back and read some of them regarding many threads on this topic. The skeptics are the only ones making up things as they go as they give their insults. What you don't like,.. is when we defend ourselves!! That's your defnition of insult?? Your posts prove that!!

You,..the skeptics can bash alllll you want,..go for it as you always have,..it's expected by now,....that's all you know how to do is insult people. Your unwarranted negative attitudes and nastyness won't change the positive facts/results, and science regarding this lubricant,...or whatever else you don't understand!!!

Well, my good captain, you and your fellow agents have sown the wind with your attitudes toward those who dared to excersize some basic common semse toward the latest miracle in a can.

And now you reap the whirlwind.


I'll add, "what comes around goes around". A member I won't mention names lets call him Sybil [gender doesn't matter], since there are multiple personalities and screen names shared by the same person. That person attacked several of us, and got a dose of his own medicine back.

As a side note people here know enough about oil to tell when a product is good, or not good. It is obvious they don't think much of Synlube. In time, most if not all of these threads will get locked, and perhaps no more talk of Synlube.


So,all you folks here are experts now!! Where is all the "expert" studies you have done on synlube that you state you know already?? Your attitude is to shut down something you don't understand or believe because it's not mainstream!! Remember,..they tried to kill Galileo just because the masses didn't believe him!

How many of the skeptics have multiple personalities here??
 
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
Originally Posted By: captain_kirk
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Just when I thought these clowns packed up and left. I'm pretty certain the past week or so here cost them dearly. Maybe if they hang in there a little longer with the insults we'll start buying.


IF you look at all the post,..it is many of the sketpics who are doing all of the insulting,and being disrespectfull!! Any time in the past when someone chimed in with sincere information they were insulted on the spot. All of the past posts prove my point,just go back and read some of them regarding many threads on this topic. The skeptics are the only ones making up things as they go as they give their insults. What you don't like,.. is when we defend ourselves!! That's your defnition of insult?? Your posts prove that!!

You,..the skeptics can bash alllll you want,..go for it as you always have,..it's expected by now,....that's all you know how to do is insult people. Your unwarranted negative attitudes and nastyness won't change the positive facts/results, and science regarding this lubricant,...or whatever else you don't understand!!!


Do synlube users ever have get togethers? I'd really like to meet the woman who kept synlube in her car for seven years
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Do the skeptics ever have get-togethers?? I kept synlube in my car for six years myself,...no issues whatsoever!!
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It will be science that shows what Synlube is all about too. Only it won't be weird science, just a VOA. Just a matter of time..........


Well lets see now,...is forty years long enough for you up to this point in time?? Would you like another 40 years? Don't bother by then,we all will be driving electric cars,or be dead!! I have been using it pushing a decade now. No weird science here,just the facts!!
 
Originally Posted By: toyotaguy
I think they understand fully. I enjoy working on my car so synlube in the car would never work. Id be dumping at 7000 miles at 50 a qt forget about it!


Ok,..forget about it then!!
 
Hey, Miro's back!!!! Galileo....... What? No reference to flat earth? Aristotle?

Who tried to kill Galileo? He was tried on suspision of heresey and found guilty. Spent the rest of his life under house arrest.
There would of been no "try" if the Catholic Church wanted him dead.

Multiple personalities, a typical Milo accusation.

Experts, ah, there are a few tribologists here. A few who have worked withauto makers as well for decades. Their views carry alot of weight.
 
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