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They would be cast out of the Garden of Synlube. Condemnned of the crime of heresy and blasphemy. Forever to roam the world without the comfort of the Holy Synlube. Praise be to Synlube.
 
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I saw the pic where Budman was pouring in the Synlube, it looked just like Lubro-Moly, remember this Lubro-Moly is from Germany.

I have a hunch that Miro's oil is Delvac 1 and maybe he hads 2 bottles of Lubro-Moly into his oil and calls it a day.
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Yes, he would still make a huge profit. The Synlube is much more expensive than the Delvac 1. And I wonder how Exxon/Mobil would feel about Delvac 1 being rebottled and sold as another brand of motor oil?

The Lubro-Moly seems to be a real deal and not snake oil. It could improve the performance of the Delvac 1. I don't think the Delvac 1 would necessarily hold up for 50,000 miles, but a lot of these Synlube fans seem to go through cars and trucks pretty fast anyway.

And if all he is using is Lubro-Moly I don't think it has PTFE and graphite in it. So a VOA would not show the presence of those in the oil. And if he is using 15W40 Delvac 1 the viscosity would be different than his supposed 5W50 Synlube.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
What would happen if somebody used the Holy Synlube and had a negative opinion?


You'd never hear from them because they aren't paid to defend synlube (scamlube), and make up stories.

If synlube were a book, it would be filed under "fiction".
 
I guess I should add that Delvac 1 is also available I think in a 5W40, so he could use that viscosity also if he is using Delvac 1 for his Synlube.
 
Originally Posted By: saaber1
Originally Posted By: Mystic
What would happen if somebody used the Holy Synlube and had a negative opinion?


You'd never hear from them because they aren't paid to defend synlube (scamlube), and make up stories.

If synlube were a book, it would be filed under "fiction".


I like my answer better
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Originally Posted By: Mystic
That Synlube website needs a lot of work! The first thing I would do if it was up to me was trash that music. And obvious contradictions need to be cleaned up, like where it says Synlube is approved for the Mazda RX-7 and elsewhere where it says Synlube should not be used in the Mazda RX-7.

Perhaps Synlube could ask the BBB of Nevada to do a new evaluation of Synlube and also ask the State of Nevada for a new review.


Why does everyone keep focusing on one issue with one car. My cars are posted on that site as well. There are dozens and dozens of cars on that site. But focus on one that might be a misprint. Did you email miro about that one car.

The BBB is the biggest scam in the country. All they want is money for a rating. My cousin got scamed by an A+ rated contracter in florida.He is in jail now,it was on the local fox affiliate in delray florida.

My mother and neighbors had issues with another A+ contacter. The BBB told us there is nothing they can do because they are the ones paying them,the BBB. You can even google the BBB as being useless. I go by word of mouth and so forth.


Guess what walmart's rating is.. C+ Imagine that!!

Like I said, Google how bogus the BBB is.
 
Originally Posted By: Budman
Budman is back... (This will be a long post)

I only check in and read BITOG once in while when bored when I decide to poke in here for some quick reading and attempt to keep up with some latest news about the one thing we all have on our minds for some weird reason.. Oil. That is when I saw this thread.

The POS Murano (to which I don't think I will ever buy another Nissan because of that experience) has since been traded in. After 5 years of too many engine compartment noises, check engine lights, recalls and dealer visits, I gave up on it and didn't want to deal with it any further.

I purchased new a Saturn Aura XR 3.6l in 2008 when they offered me a deal I could not refuse. I really love this car so far and in its fully loaded configuration I feel like it may have been the biggest kept secret in GM's arsenal. Still shocked that Saturn has since been dismantled. I also added a slightly used Mazda3 to my garage as well that only had 7.5k miles on it when I bought it.

Since I never had a problem with Miro and felt that he always responded in timely matter to all my questions when I had Synlube in my Murano as well as seemed knowledgeable with thorough answers I contacted him again when I bought my Saturn.

I know probably everyone here will think I am completely bonkers to go the same route again after the Murano but I always felt in my gut it was more the truck itself at fault (along with incompetent dealer) than a fair attempt at Synlube, so I purchased Synlube AGAIN, this time for BOTH my cars! Please refrain from calling the loony cops for now.

I originally intended to start a blog and document the install of Synlube as well as ongoing results with mileage updates and what not but just decided didn't have the time for it. I still have original pictures I took of the install here for the Saturn XR (the Mazda3 was Synlubed in 2009 when I bought it).

Here is the Initial Fill, Add Oil and filter magnet I bought from Miro sitting ontop of the 3.6l GM gem:



Me purposely ruining my brand new engine {sarcasm} that only has 1150 miles on it at time of of being Synlubed:



Since this initial install, the Saturn has had two filter changes along with topping of Add Oil and now sits with just over 20k miles on it. Engine runs fine and as far as I can tell from driving it is in good condition comparable to what it should be for this mileage. Starts right up, passes smog and have gotten comments of driving smooth from people who have borrowed the car. Nothing out of ordinary, nor should there be for any car with 20k on it. It is still considered newish compared to how long an engine should last. But I also imagine that Wesson changed often could get a modern engine to 20k with no problems..

My Mazda3 was synlubed at around 7-8k miles when I bought it and it now sits at 25k miles on it. So 15k or so on Synlube. Again same as said above applies to the Mazda3. But this Mazda3 on Synlube gave me a scare.

After a year on Synlube it was time for a filter change and topping. These particular cars use a cartridge type oil filter that is open and the filter material is complete exposed. When I pulled the filter to change I was floored at the "coating" on the filter. It was sludged and the coating was enough that I could scrape it with my nail and I suspect filter was not able to filter anymore and was in permanent bypass mode. I took a picture of it and emailed Miro.

He quickly replied that the design of the engine doesn't allow 100% of old oil to be drained and what that sludge was, was most likely that old oil running into its end of life extreme. This is what happens to dino that is run too long he said. Synlube kept it in suspension and the filter did its job of taking it out of circulation. To be honest, I was skeptical a bit and really worried I was damaging engine and thoughts of taking out Synlube next year if next filter showed the same. I was told to check the new filter about 6 months if I could but I just went to the year and changed it for its annual change and topping, high with anticipation.

This second filter change was dramatically different than that first sludged one. This time the filter looked as one would expect. The media was was just soaked in oil and a few specks of [censored] was caught. Not a sign of sludge anywhere. I topped up oil and have felt fine going forward with Synlube being left in engine.

I wish I would have kept better records of the costs so far. The initial purchase of synlube is quite expensive at $32/qt and the add-in is also I think $20/qt. No matter how careful one is though, one will always lose quite a bit of oil when changing a filter. I think my saturn lost 1/2 qt that I had to replace and my Mazda lost about 1/4 qt. This means you are not actually keeping 100% same oil in car but are replenishing it a bit each year. This also means I am having to buy a $20/qt of add oil each year for my two cars. So this adds to the lifetime cost that is not really mentioned much when they talk of the cost savings at the website.

Also, despite my good dealings with Synlube and Miro himself over the years, I do have to say that some of the stuff I have discovered just reading this thread and others (revoked biz license, intersections as an address, etc) disturb me a bit. I am not confident that god forbid something should happen to one of my engines related 100% to lubrication (or both, to which I will just shoot myself for being so dumb) that I would get full support from Synlube as well as be able to receive warranty claim from them as they promise. So one really is playing roulette I suppose but then again, how is it any different than had there been damage from Schaffers or Amsoil? Also, would Shell pay for new engine if one of their oils was at fault? They'd middle finger you and say "prove it".

All in all, I am fine with Synlube for now. Many seem so skeptical of its claims for long life but I don't ever remember so much doubt when manufacturers started to use 100k antifreeze or 100k spark plugs and now even 80k+ auto trans fluid. Why is it that the masses here in USA seem so protective of dino + 3-4k oil changes? Europe has long since been 10k+ changes with "synthetic" (group III).

Thanks for reading.


Amen, Thanks for all the information,..and being honest about what really happened with the murano. Glad to see you are still using synlube.

I am now pushing 10 years with this lubricant. 65k on two different cars,and about 6 years each was my longest run so far. No issues at all,engines were awesome in both. Traded both in,96 buick,95 pontiac. Buick had transmission issues. Pontiac had the intake manifold gasket issue. It was time new, and they both have the lube-4-life in them. Got the oil credit as well.

2008 Jeep 4.7 // 2009 v6 mustang// 2001.5 vw 1.8t// All doing great!! lawn mower and other equipment as well are lubed up with it.
 
let me explain to you captain_kirk why people are focusing on that one car. Because there is a CONTRADICTION between what is said in one area of the website (that the RX-7 can use Synlube) and another area of the website where it says that Synlube should NOT be used in the RX-7. That is why people are focusing on that.

It can't be both ways. Which is it?
 
The BBB at least gives people some idea of what companies are likely to be reputable and what companies are likely not to be reputable.

I am with Tragan. I will take a C+ Wal-Mart ANY DAY over an F rated Synlube. And yes, I too buy my oil usually at Wal-Mart. But I would buy it elsewhere if it was cheaper elsewhere. And I think Pennzoil Ultra is better than Synlube. Perhaps someday we will find out for a fact.
 
Trajan does Synlube meet any requirments at all? It is supposed to be 5W50 viscosity so it does not seem to met the viscosity requirments of any American made cars and trucks that I am aware of.

Does it meet SM requirements? I don't see it recommended for any cars or trucks but Mobil 1 is the fill oil for several cars and trucks.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
let me explain to you captain_kirk why people are focusing on that one car. Because there is a CONTRADICTION between what is said in one area of the website (that the RX-7 can use Synlube) and another area of the website where it says that Synlube should NOT be used in the RX-7. That is why people are focusing on that.

It can't be both ways. Which is it?


If you are so curious why don't you email Miro? With all the countless cars posted on that site,mine included,.do ya think he's allowed for a typo or someting. It doez happen!!
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Trajan does Synlube meet any requirments at all? It is supposed to be 5W50 viscosity so it does not seem to met the viscosity requirments of any American made cars and trucks that I am aware of.

Does it meet SM requirements? I don't see it recommended for any cars or trucks but Mobil 1 is the fill oil for several cars and trucks.


I'll spare you listening to that godawful music :)

API Service SJ Warranty Requirements for new 1997 Model Cars, Vans & Trucks
API Service SL Warranty Requirements for new 2001 Model Cars, Vans & Trucks
API Service SM Warranty Requirements for new 2005 Model Cars, Vans & Trucks
API Service CG-4, CF-2, CF-4, CF Warranty Requirements for Heavy Duty Diesel Engines
API Service CH-4 Warranty Requirements for new 1998 Low Emission Heavy Duty Diesels
API Service CI-4 Warranty Requirements for new 2002 Low Emission Heavy Duty Diesels with EGR.
API Service CJ-4 Warranty Requirements for new 2007 Low Emission Heavy Duty Diesels using fuel with 15 PPM Sulfur.
Global DHD-1 performance specification for Heavy Duty Diesel Service according to International specifications
Cummins performance specification 20076 (also called CH-4 plus or CH-4+)
Mack EO-M, EO-M PLUS, EO-L, EO-L PLUS & EO-K/2 Performance Specifications
Quadruple Cummins NTC-400 performance
Caterpillar 10 TBN requirements
Detroit Diesel 7SE 270
Exceeds the requirements of MIL-L-22851C (U.S. Military)
ACEA ES-99 European Specifications for Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil
ACEA B4-98 European Specifications for Light Duty High Speed Diesel Engine Oil
ACEA A3-98 European Specification for Gasoline Engine Oil
CCMC PD-2 for High Performance Automotive Diesel Engines
CCMC G-5 & D-5
ILSAC GF-1, GF-2, GF-3 & GF-4

They claim to exceed all of the above. Somewhere I read that they meet GF-4 before it was even published.

As far as the ACEA claims go, and we'll be merciful and say the one in red is a typo..... they are not on any approved Euro manufacturer list that I've seen. Not BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, VW, Audi, et al.

If they actually met the tests, they would say it on the label. Since they don't, there are only two possibilities. They either didn't subnit to the test, which they have to pay for. Or they failed it.

According to this site: http://www.europeancarweb.com/news/epcp_0811_oe_approved_car_oils/index.html, the test includes extensive testing of emissions, oxidation, wear-and-tear distribution on moving metal-to-metal parts, fuel economy, and severe wear-and-tear testing (about 600 hours of continued use) on your type of vehicle.

http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/pub/070308_ACEA_sequences_2007_LD_and_HD.pdf Interesting read.
 
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Originally Posted By: captain_kirk
Originally Posted By: Mystic
let me explain to you captain_kirk why people are focusing on that one car. Because there is a CONTRADICTION between what is said in one area of the website (that the RX-7 can use Synlube) and another area of the website where it says that Synlube should NOT be used in the RX-7. That is why people are focusing on that.

It can't be both ways. Which is it?


If you are so curious why don't you email Miro? With all the countless cars posted on that site,mine included,.do ya think he's allowed for a typo or someting. It doez happen!!


You think he would of corrected it by now or something??????
 
Well captain_kirk, I don't care if there are obvious problems with the website of Synlube. It does not matter to me. That is Miro's problem that the music will drive potential customers away and some people will not like the contradictions found at that website. Since you love Synlube so much, maybe YOU can contact Miro.

And just a question captain_kirk: Do you ever have any interest in anything other than Synlube? I have posted several different things here at this website. I have posted and replied to posts about various motor oils, oil filters, grease, computer subjects, gun lubricants, amd much, much more. Now understand, I don't care if your only interest is Synlube. But the majority of people here display some interest in more than just one brand of motor oil.

Now in the case of Frank of Auto-RX, when he was a member here, it is kind of understandable that he concentrated on Auto-RX. After all, he owned Auto-RX.
 
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