SUV driver runs over bikers

Status
Not open for further replies.
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: Mykl
More info. Miss Domenech is an idiot. The people to blame for her nephew's hospitalization are not the people in the Range Rover, but the people who tried to attack the occupants of the Range Rover.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/...over-chase?lite


Now hang on a second...

If he was not a threat then the driver of the SUV had no right to injure him.

So it is really your position that running over someone checking on a downed rider is acceptable behavior?

WOW...



So it would have been more acceptable that he sacrifice himself and his family because an idiot thought it was a good idea to get in front of a truck while his friends dragged the family out of it and beat them?

WOW...


No it would have been more acceptable if he had made a getaway without running over people who were not a threat to him at the moment...
confused.gif



Are you serious? THEY WERE SURROUNDING HIS TRUCK! Are you blind, or just willfully ignoring the facts?
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT


Are you serious? THEY WERE SURROUNDING HIS TRUCK! Are you blind, or just willfully ignoring the facts?


I'm completely serious and I'm not really defending them, I'm just trying to get this pack to look at it a bit more objectively... devils advocate as it were.

So perhaps you would like to explain how you differentiate "surrounding" from stopped traffic? I see at least some of the group moving to the side or the roadway... which seems not like "surrounding" ...

Perhaps it is you that is willfully ignoring...

Good day to you.
 
Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Was the Range Rover under attack immediately prior to running over the downed moron? Not so Sure... (maybe, maybe not)


You're right, it's not crystal clear, which means we have to weigh the evidence we have. The bulk of that evidence suggests that the driver of the Range Rover had been attacked.

At the very least you can't possibly say that there is no reasonable doubt concerning anything a district attorney might try to prosecute him for. Their group instigated this encounter, and their group displayed a willingness for violence.

So that means that it's the RR driver's word versus the gang. After watching that video, who are you going to believe?


I don't disagree with that.

There are a couple of more perspectives of video in the today show video which seems to indicate that they did in fact have the RR door open (lock your doors folks) so he's ( the range rover driver) probably telling it correctly...

Guess we will see what else comes out in the next few days... Today says the commissioner says it is "not likely" the driver will be charged...
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT


Are you serious? THEY WERE SURROUNDING HIS TRUCK! Are you blind, or just willfully ignoring the facts?


I'm completely serious and I'm not really defending them, I'm just trying to get this pack to look at it a bit more objectively... devils advocate as it were.

So perhaps you would like to explain how you differentiate "surrounding" from stopped traffic? I see at least some of the group moving to the side or the roadway... which seems not like "surrounding" ...

Perhaps it is you that is willfully ignoring...

Good day to you.


Playing devil's advocate is fine, I like to do this from time to time, but just look at who's getting charged in this case
wink.gif

It's easy to arm chair this right now, but just like others in this thread, I think the SUV driver made the right call of fleeing even if it meant running the attackers over.
In the heat of the moment, especially with the threat against your family lives, one cannot stop to analyze the situation, they have to react and protect themselves.
 
Originally Posted By: KrisZ

It's easy to arm chair this right now, but just like others in this thread, I think the SUV driver made the right call of fleeing even if it meant running the attackers over.
In the heat of the moment, especially with the threat against your family lives, one cannot stop to analyze the situation, they have to react and protect themselves.


That's how I see it, and if someone gets crushed in the process for being stupid, too bad. My family and my life come first PERIOD.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: KrisZ

It's easy to arm chair this right now, but just like others in this thread, I think the SUV driver made the right call of fleeing even if it meant running the attackers over.
In the heat of the moment, especially with the threat against your family lives, one cannot stop to analyze the situation, they have to react and protect themselves.


That's how I see it, and if someone gets crushed in the process for being stupid, too bad. My family and my life come first PERIOD.


Have to agree here, the SUV driver ahd a 2 year old and wife in the vehicle with him, given such, it looks like fleeing would be the best idea, maybe bikers will take note,
SUV's can crush you.... This is given the premise we are seeing the whole story in that video clip as well. The SUV driver was highly outnumbered with an infant in the car, I think they are lucky the SUV driver wasnt armed.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
If they started the problem and I was unable to exit safely w/o them following me, and I felt I/we were in danger, my vehicle would have become a 4000 lb. smart bomb, or guided missile, take your pick. While I was running them over my wife would have been dialing 911 if she was with me.

Still exiting safely if possible would have been my first choice.


Agreed. Generally speaking I think I would look for the safest exit possible for all involved.

But I've never had my car surrounded by a group of thugs on crotch rockets either.. If they did that with my wife and kids in the van I'm not really sure I'd be taking the time to figure out the clean exit.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: mitsuman47
How is RR driver supposed to differentiate the actions/motives of 30 reckless boneheads. He had crazy stuff going on all around him, and his fight or flight kicked in.

'...ONLY way to protect my family...'


So it is OK with you if he runs over someone walking down the sidewalk? How about a paramedic? Doctor that got out of the car next to him to help the injured rider...?

You simply can't disregard the safety of people who are not actively engaged in criminal activity...

Bet he ends up charged, even if he doesn't he will be ruined in civil court...



All strawman arguments. If you watch the videos, it was the BIKERS who were riding on sidewalks.

It astonishes me you're defending the bikers. If you had 30 guys surrounding your vehicle, with your young child and wife, slashing your tires, trying to open the doors, breakign windows etc., you're going to get out and tend to a guy you ran over because he instigated essentially a gang brawl against you? WOW. Better hope it never happens to you buddy because you'll end up like mince meat with that attitude.



This.

After seeing the videos I would be already worried if I seen a similarly numbered group heading up towards me from any angle. They are gaining a reputation. They ride with zero regard to the law in nearly any capacity and are openly aggressive (hitting and damaging cars) to those that whom they see as opposing them traffic or otherwise even if the other cars are totally unawares as these guys run red lights.

Not sure what the 'law' will do, but when you can watch first person videos of them riding without rules of any kind, its pretty much a no-brainer to me. But then in the US of A, the most litigious nation on the planet...anything can happen. I see Russian dash cam action in the near future.
 
Originally Posted By: Virtuoso
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
If they started the problem and I was unable to exit safely w/o them following me, and I felt I/we were in danger, my vehicle would have become a 4000 lb. smart bomb, or guided missile, take your pick. While I was running them over my wife would have been dialing 911 if she was with me.

Still exiting safely if possible would have been my first choice.


Agreed. Generally speaking I think I would look for the safest exit possible for all involved.

But I've never had my car surrounded by a group of thugs on crotch rockets either.. If they did that with my wife and kids in the van I'm not really sure I'd be taking the time to figure out the clean exit.


Absolutely, if a safe exit was possible by all means I'd use it. But it would take milliseconds to make that determination if my life was on the line. Otherwise anyone in my way that was posing a threat would be fair game. I wonder how many bikers and bikes it would take to stop an SUV, especially with protecting the radiator in the SUV in mind. LOL
 
The two arrest thus far are 28 and 42. That's not exactly the "young punk" age one would expect.

I'm guessing the people defending the degenerates (don't really want to call them bikers, because that's too good), have either pulled similar stunts, or do not have a wife and kids.
 
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
....
Not sure what the 'law' will do, but when you can watch first person videos of them riding without rules of any kind, its pretty much a no-brainer to me. But then in the US of A, the most litigious nation on the planet...anything can happen. ...


Exactly...

The fact that the police commissioner (DA or whatever he is) is saying that it "isn't likely" the driver will be charged on day 3 post incident and the fact that in one of the perspectives in the Today show video it appears that the path in front of the RR is relatively clear does not bode well. A guy could do everything absolutely right and still be ruined in civil court...

And BTW, I never suggested that he should have gotten out or even that the driver was in the wrong... I just asked a few questions to try to get people thinking.

There is almost certainly more video out there I bet more and more comes out even though they will probably never get it all...
 
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
...
I'm guessing the people defending the degenerates (don't really want to call them bikers, because that's too good), have either pulled similar stunts, or do not have a wife and kids.


With respect to me you would be absolutely incorrect on both counts.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
...
I'm guessing the people defending the degenerates (don't really want to call them bikers, because that's too good), have either pulled similar stunts, or do not have a wife and kids.


With respect to me you would be absolutely incorrect on both counts.


Oh, and I strongly dislike stunters...

Some additional video and what appear to be blown up stills from video...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...treet-ride.html

Pretty sure I see a "3 patch" jacket... and a path...
 
There is more and more information coming out about this incident. It could possibly have been racial to some extent. Apparently the driver and his wife and child are Asian. His name was Lien. Is that Vietnamese maybe?

It is still uncertain exactly what happened at the start. One of the bikers may have pulled in front of the SUV and been hit accidentally, which to me seems like the fault of the biker or just an accident. Several of the bikers either did not have license plates on their motorcycles or even had license plates from other motorcycles, and this is making it difficult to trace the other bikers involved by using video from cameras.

Regardless what exactly happened at the start of the incident, several of the 20-30 bikers surrounded the SUV. The driver became fearful for his life and the lives of his wife and child. And he drove through the bikers to escape.

When they caught up to him at least two bikers broke the windows on the SUV using their helmets. One of the windows broken was the window near the child. They pulled the driver out and he apparently was slashed with a knife and beaten. The video that was taken of all of this is missing. However, some of that missing video may have been posted on YouTube at least for a short time.
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: Mykl
The second rider who turned himself in isn't getting charged with anything now.

Ridiculous. This guy smashed in the left rear window where the SUV driver's infant daughter was sitting.
 
Actually the SUV driver showed a lot of restraint. He could have easily acted like a Nascar driver warming up his tires swaying back and forth across lanes and killed dozens of them, especially as the speeds increased. One thing that caught my eye in the beginning of the video how the biker "looked back" at the SUV driver right before he braked checked him.....this was a PLANNED ASSAULT and started the domino effect! People need to learn to be cool. I remember my father (truck driver) was actually calmer as the traffic got worse...tools he learned in defensive truck driving school required by his employer.
 
I ride motorcycles in fact I love motorcycles. I cannot stand most other riders though and do not understand the group/mob mentality a lot of riders have. I don't really like clubs or groups of anything for that matter.

Maybe Im missing something but this situation doesn't appear to be nearly as cut and dry as a lot of you are thinking. The guys involved in this incident are complete idiots and tools but lets not forget that (according to reports) the driver had just ran into one of the riders on accident. If the driver just kept on driving instead of stopping perhaps um I don't know maybe the riders were attempting to get him to stop to acknowledge what had just happened? (I freaking hate typing anything that attempts to defend these morons btw)

These riders were not some sort of sons of anarchy type gang they are just a bunch of semi organized idiot stunters.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

G
  • Locked
I View Traffic Incidents Differently Than The General Public!
2
Replies
33
Views
1K
dnewton3
slo town
My experience 30 floors up during the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake
2
Replies
29
Views
5K
SammyChevelleTypeS3
slo town
Our trip to the 108th running of the Indy 500
2
Replies
30
Views
3K
Carmudgeon
slo town
Lifetime friends and the crazy stories that go along with it
Replies
13
Views
3K
ripcord
69GTX
2001 Lincoln Continental - $5000 repair estimate in front suspension & steering - reasonable?
2 3 4
Replies
77
Views
12K
Silverado12
Back
Top Bottom