I picked up a gallon of DexIII SuperTech ATF today at wallyworld. It's in the car... so a bit late not to use it. But is there any issues with it?
Supertech ATF?
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If it meets the spec of your vehicle, you're good to go.
10-4. Just didn't know if it was a bad product or not. never used Supertech atf before.
Should be fine. Warren distribution out of Nebraska makes good products. They are as good as your rebranded variants like Carquest and Autozone and maybe a tick better.
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You can be sure they are made to be able to meet the spec with the lowest possible/cheapest possible setup of additives and base fluids.
But the specs are pretty decent these days, so if squeaking by is your thing, its a decent deal.
I wouldn't fear the quality of the product.
But the specs are pretty decent these days, so if squeaking by is your thing, its a decent deal.
I wouldn't fear the quality of the product.
lol. just went in our 2006 suzuki Aerio. I did an initial drain & fill at 29k using 1gal Valvoline. the OEM stuff was shot. Yesterday at 30k I did another 1gal drain & fill using the supertech. That trans only has a drainplug and a built in strainer. so you drain about 3.8qts everytime you pull the plug. there is no pan! goofy trans, Pretty simple service though. But it takes more than 1 drain to really get everything clean. So we're good for another 30k now. The only thing i notice the supertech VS Valvoline was the redness. the supertech is pretty pale. Either way, it's gotta be better now that I flushed 1 gal of valvoline and 1 gal of supertech thru it vs the OEM burnt brown stuff.
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10-4. This Auto trans doesn't even have a pan!! it looks like a manual trans with a drain plug and a fill tube/dipstick though.
Originally Posted By: Toy4x4runner
I picked up a gallon of DexIII SuperTech ATF today at wallyworld. It's in the car... so a bit late not to use it. But is there any issues with it?
Well since they are not apparently using the GM DEXRON(R) trademark, it would appear that they are not in violation of that. However, it would seem to me that they are implying that the formulation they're marketing is in fact a DEXRON(R)-III formulation ~ which is impossible because the DEXRON(R)-III specification became obsolete several years ago. So whatever they're selling, it could be anything!
I picked up a gallon of DexIII SuperTech ATF today at wallyworld. It's in the car... so a bit late not to use it. But is there any issues with it?
Well since they are not apparently using the GM DEXRON(R) trademark, it would appear that they are not in violation of that. However, it would seem to me that they are implying that the formulation they're marketing is in fact a DEXRON(R)-III formulation ~ which is impossible because the DEXRON(R)-III specification became obsolete several years ago. So whatever they're selling, it could be anything!
Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Originally Posted By: Toy4x4runner
I picked up a gallon of DexIII SuperTech ATF today at wallyworld. It's in the car... so a bit late not to use it. But is there any issues with it?
Well since they are not apparently using the GM DEXRON(R) trademark, it would appear that they are not in violation of that. However, it would seem to me that they are implying that the formulation they're marketing is in fact a DEXRON(R)-III formulation ~ which is impossible because the DEXRON(R)-III specification became obsolete several years ago. So whatever they're selling, it could be anything!
Don't quite understand your logic, both for alleging Supertech as selling unauthorized/obsolete products or your obsolescence comment.
Warren Distribution, the blender/maker, would be responsibile for any permissions required from GM and I am 99% sure they obtained them if required. Secondly, Pennzoil, Mobil, Coastal and several other companies still market ATFs that meet or exceed Dexron III/Mercon ATF specs. Take a look at their websites.
All of my vehicles (youngest is 2003) require this formulation, so it certainly isn't obsolete for me. The fact I don't want Dexron VI in my car doesn't mean the Dexron III spec is obsolete.
Originally Posted By: Toy4x4runner
I picked up a gallon of DexIII SuperTech ATF today at wallyworld. It's in the car... so a bit late not to use it. But is there any issues with it?
Well since they are not apparently using the GM DEXRON(R) trademark, it would appear that they are not in violation of that. However, it would seem to me that they are implying that the formulation they're marketing is in fact a DEXRON(R)-III formulation ~ which is impossible because the DEXRON(R)-III specification became obsolete several years ago. So whatever they're selling, it could be anything!
Don't quite understand your logic, both for alleging Supertech as selling unauthorized/obsolete products or your obsolescence comment.
Warren Distribution, the blender/maker, would be responsibile for any permissions required from GM and I am 99% sure they obtained them if required. Secondly, Pennzoil, Mobil, Coastal and several other companies still market ATFs that meet or exceed Dexron III/Mercon ATF specs. Take a look at their websites.
All of my vehicles (youngest is 2003) require this formulation, so it certainly isn't obsolete for me. The fact I don't want Dexron VI in my car doesn't mean the Dexron III spec is obsolete.
Just to explain where I'm coming from: no company can now claim DEXRON(R)-III 'approval', nor can they prove that the fluid they're marketing meets any DEXRON(R) requirement unless they have a formal approval and the license associated with it, hence, they could be selling anything!
DEXRON(R)-III became obsolete as a specification at the beginning of 2006 ~ fact. No subsequent DEXRON(R)-III licenses were, therefore, issued ... if a company is claiming so, they're being dishonest.
DEXRON(R)-VI replaced all earlier DEXRON(R) products and is the only OEM-supported lube specification for GM Hydramatic applications.
Unfortunately, if all your vehicles require a DEXRON-III type formulation, the only way you will be certain to have a GM-approved lubricant is to use DEXRON(R)-VI ... however, you can put whatever you like in there, it's completely your choice ... but if it was me, I'd use DEXRON(R)-VI.
Hope that helps clarify my previous posting.
DEXRON(R)-III became obsolete as a specification at the beginning of 2006 ~ fact. No subsequent DEXRON(R)-III licenses were, therefore, issued ... if a company is claiming so, they're being dishonest.
DEXRON(R)-VI replaced all earlier DEXRON(R) products and is the only OEM-supported lube specification for GM Hydramatic applications.
Unfortunately, if all your vehicles require a DEXRON-III type formulation, the only way you will be certain to have a GM-approved lubricant is to use DEXRON(R)-VI ... however, you can put whatever you like in there, it's completely your choice ... but if it was me, I'd use DEXRON(R)-VI.
Hope that helps clarify my previous posting.
OK, so Amsoil is not licensed for any oil or ATF, no onre should use it?
Originally Posted By: Donald
OK, so Amsoil is not licensed for any oil or ATF, no onre should use it?
Your choice. However, personally given the choice between an independently tested, approved and licensed product or one with no formal credentials and nothing to back it up other than marketing hype and hearsay I think you know where I would go. My opinion.
OK, so Amsoil is not licensed for any oil or ATF, no onre should use it?
Your choice. However, personally given the choice between an independently tested, approved and licensed product or one with no formal credentials and nothing to back it up other than marketing hype and hearsay I think you know where I would go. My opinion.
Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Originally Posted By: Donald
OK, so Amsoil is not licensed for any oil or ATF, no onre should use it?
Your choice. However, personally given the choice between an independently tested, approved and licensed product or one with no formal credentials and nothing to back it up other than marketing hype and hearsay I think you know where I would go. My opinion.
Amsoil has done lots of testing of their products to make sure they meet every spec they recommend them for. They would not stay in business if their products did not perform given the cost. Amsoil will warranty sound engines and transmissions against failure using their products. Who else does that, licensed or not? Does Mobil? Do the auto companies warranty the engine or transmission once out of warranty if you use their oil or ATF?
Originally Posted By: Donald
OK, so Amsoil is not licensed for any oil or ATF, no onre should use it?
Your choice. However, personally given the choice between an independently tested, approved and licensed product or one with no formal credentials and nothing to back it up other than marketing hype and hearsay I think you know where I would go. My opinion.
Amsoil has done lots of testing of their products to make sure they meet every spec they recommend them for. They would not stay in business if their products did not perform given the cost. Amsoil will warranty sound engines and transmissions against failure using their products. Who else does that, licensed or not? Does Mobil? Do the auto companies warranty the engine or transmission once out of warranty if you use their oil or ATF?
Thanks for the explanation, but here is a quote from my Mobil ATF bottle: "...qualified for use in GM, Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Volkswagen, Mazda and other imported and domestic vehicles requiring DEXRON(r)-III." I suspect I would find similar wording on Pennzoil, Shell, Supertech or any other brands.
That is good enough for me. I appreciate your viewpoint, but I see no need to go to Dexron VI "just to be safe from a licensing viewpoint" when I have substantial success with this fluid and others like it, license or not.
As you point out, my dime and my risk.
That is good enough for me. I appreciate your viewpoint, but I see no need to go to Dexron VI "just to be safe from a licensing viewpoint" when I have substantial success with this fluid and others like it, license or not.
As you point out, my dime and my risk.
Qualified and approved are different things.
I can vouch for Whitewolf's credibility when it comes to this area. He is very familiar with this stuff.
I can vouch for Whitewolf's credibility when it comes to this area. He is very familiar with this stuff.
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