STRAIGHT 30 WT.
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There should be no issue running 30wt in the summer months, but as soon as cold weather sets in I would switch back to a multigrade.
I would only run it if ambient temps didn't go below 70F, which I would say in FL is probably mid May-mid Sept or so.
I'd run it, no problem.
If you can get them down to a buck and a half a quart, buy it.
If not, pass.
They'll have it on clearance for a buck a quart after they figure out that nobody wants it.
Now, the JD branded oils look pretty good from what little I've seen of them on BITOG, and I don't think that a straight thirty would be a problem in South Florida, if that's where you are.
It would be interesting for you to buy this oil, do a few OCIs and then UOA it.
Remember, too, that a straight thirty does act thinner at cooler temps, since it will have some VI.
Might be more like a 20W-30, or even a 15w30.
If not, pass.
They'll have it on clearance for a buck a quart after they figure out that nobody wants it.
Now, the JD branded oils look pretty good from what little I've seen of them on BITOG, and I don't think that a straight thirty would be a problem in South Florida, if that's where you are.
It would be interesting for you to buy this oil, do a few OCIs and then UOA it.
Remember, too, that a straight thirty does act thinner at cooler temps, since it will have some VI.
Might be more like a 20W-30, or even a 15w30.
Does it meet current specs? If so because of current basestocks and additive packages it is closer to a 15W30 than a straight 30 grade oil. I would use it in a pinch, but there are better options out there.
Run it in a lawn mower, make sure its api SN, and at the very most, use as top off oil
Oil for a motor vehicle is not that expensive over the live of the vehicle but it's kind of important. It's too important to take that deal if it's not a good choice for the engine. Modern multi-grade oils are a good deal considering the job that they do.
SAE30 is most certainly good below 70*F. I use it as a three season oil and am down to my last couple of gallons of Delo SAE30. The Delo has served me well and has been very economical at about $4-$5 an oil change.
With today's prices, $2 a quart is OK, but not a spectacular deal.
With today's prices, $2 a quart is OK, but not a spectacular deal.
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Otto has a very storied, successful history with mono-grade 30 wt in his old 6.9L IDI Ford. As I recall it had 450k miles on LLG before being taken, and was running fine even at that point. I'm sure he's aware of the pros and cons of the vis; it will be fine for FL (he has not updated his profile and is not in TN).
As for this specific product's use in a Dmax: the CI-4 rating is acceptable for his 2006. I, too, have a 2006 (mine is an LBZ; his could be the same or a late model LLY). They were spec'd for CH-4 or greater in the manual, so the CI-4 would be fine. Presuming his OCIs were not greatly extended, I see no issue whatsoever in regard to safe wear rates, etc. The high TBN is moot, as he's using ULSD fuel. The LBZ/LLY uses EGR, but not an insane amount, so CJ-4 is not a necessity for soot control; the engine also has no regen cycles as it was prior to the 2007 MY change of the LMM. Basically, if he keeps the OCI limited to the OEM OLM, there will be no problems at all.
The only thing that would conern me is if the lube is of recent blending (manufacture) or not. I would not want a lube that has been sitting idle for 6-7 years, and then, after buying a case or two, try to stretch it out a few more years in the crankcase. If the lube has a "born on" date of 2010 or later, I'd say he could use it with no qualms whatsoever.
I would presume the cost is the driving factor here; $8/gallon is not bad at all. But I would also note that I've seen CJ-4 lubes recently for just as cheap. Peak CJ-4 15w40 was on sale nationally at AAP for $9/gallon. And I've seen a $5/gallon rebate from Mobil on Delvac; at my local farm store that made the gallon only $7 after rebate at Rural King!!!
So - it's safe for his Dmax. It's not really going to be any "better" or "worse" in terms of wear; the engine just isn't that picky. And if the price is right to him, so be it.
As for this specific product's use in a Dmax: the CI-4 rating is acceptable for his 2006. I, too, have a 2006 (mine is an LBZ; his could be the same or a late model LLY). They were spec'd for CH-4 or greater in the manual, so the CI-4 would be fine. Presuming his OCIs were not greatly extended, I see no issue whatsoever in regard to safe wear rates, etc. The high TBN is moot, as he's using ULSD fuel. The LBZ/LLY uses EGR, but not an insane amount, so CJ-4 is not a necessity for soot control; the engine also has no regen cycles as it was prior to the 2007 MY change of the LMM. Basically, if he keeps the OCI limited to the OEM OLM, there will be no problems at all.
The only thing that would conern me is if the lube is of recent blending (manufacture) or not. I would not want a lube that has been sitting idle for 6-7 years, and then, after buying a case or two, try to stretch it out a few more years in the crankcase. If the lube has a "born on" date of 2010 or later, I'd say he could use it with no qualms whatsoever.
I would presume the cost is the driving factor here; $8/gallon is not bad at all. But I would also note that I've seen CJ-4 lubes recently for just as cheap. Peak CJ-4 15w40 was on sale nationally at AAP for $9/gallon. And I've seen a $5/gallon rebate from Mobil on Delvac; at my local farm store that made the gallon only $7 after rebate at Rural King!!!
So - it's safe for his Dmax. It's not really going to be any "better" or "worse" in terms of wear; the engine just isn't that picky. And if the price is right to him, so be it.
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Otto has a very storied, successful history with mono-grade 30 wt in his old 6.9L IDI Ford. As I recall it had 450k miles on LLG before being taken, and was running fine even at that point. I'm sure he's aware of the pros and cons of the vis; it will be fine for FL (he has not updated his profile and is not in TN).........
your right on all counts Dave. The oil I used in 6.9 was Pennzoil HD 30 long Life.
along with Fram Filters. (3766). I was hoping someone has experience with this oil as JD 's oil has generally has good uoa's (roadrunner)
Otto has a very storied, successful history with mono-grade 30 wt in his old 6.9L IDI Ford. As I recall it had 450k miles on LLG before being taken, and was running fine even at that point. I'm sure he's aware of the pros and cons of the vis; it will be fine for FL (he has not updated his profile and is not in TN).........
your right on all counts Dave. The oil I used in 6.9 was Pennzoil HD 30 long Life.
along with Fram Filters. (3766). I was hoping someone has experience with this oil as JD 's oil has generally has good uoa's (roadrunner)
Originally Posted By: skellyman
I would have no problem using it, great oils , though in the Fla. area who is supplying Deere's oil ? XOM or Chevron?
I, personally anyways, don't think it matters who is supplying it as its blended to meet a spec set forth by the retailer, in this case Deere.
Another point is this is TorqGard Supreme, not Plus 50 II, which is what my UOA's posted here are represented with.
The 30wt. isn't offered in the Plus 50 II, although I do use it for a few different applications, specifically a few transmissions that require a straight 30wt., no multi-grades allowed. It has always preformed very well in 1,000 hrs. intervals, per UOA.
I would have no problem using it, great oils , though in the Fla. area who is supplying Deere's oil ? XOM or Chevron?
I, personally anyways, don't think it matters who is supplying it as its blended to meet a spec set forth by the retailer, in this case Deere.
Another point is this is TorqGard Supreme, not Plus 50 II, which is what my UOA's posted here are represented with.
The 30wt. isn't offered in the Plus 50 II, although I do use it for a few different applications, specifically a few transmissions that require a straight 30wt., no multi-grades allowed. It has always preformed very well in 1,000 hrs. intervals, per UOA.
What are you going to do with 300 quarts?
(1) 12V Cummins , (4) JD tractors, (1) New Holland, (1) Kubota, (2) Dmaxs,
(2) 7.3 Excursions.
All of the above are owned by myself & 2 sons.
I offered 1.50 per qt. He said he would get back to me. Full Retail is $4.39
What happened to oil is fork lift hit pallet above & all containers are oily.
(2) 7.3 Excursions.
All of the above are owned by myself & 2 sons.
I offered 1.50 per qt. He said he would get back to me. Full Retail is $4.39
What happened to oil is fork lift hit pallet above & all containers are oily.
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Does it meet current specs? If so because of current basestocks and additive packages it is closer to a 15W30 than a straight 30 grade oil. I would use it in a pinch, but there are better options out there.
Dave1251 , Do you even read the full post before you reply?
The OP said CI spec oil.
As to Basestocks an additive pack , how the heck would you know Deere uses two Major oil companies to supply their product made to specs set by the John Deere Co.
Does it meet current specs? If so because of current basestocks and additive packages it is closer to a 15W30 than a straight 30 grade oil. I would use it in a pinch, but there are better options out there.
Dave1251 , Do you even read the full post before you reply?
The OP said CI spec oil.
As to Basestocks an additive pack , how the heck would you know Deere uses two Major oil companies to supply their product made to specs set by the John Deere Co.
Originally Posted By: skellyman
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Does it meet current specs? If so because of current basestocks and additive packages it is closer to a 15W30 than a straight 30 grade oil. I would use it in a pinch, but there are better options out there.
Dave1251 , Do you even read the full post before you reply?
The OP said CI spec oil.
As to Basestocks an additive pack , how the heck would you know Deere uses two Major oil companies to supply their product made to specs set by the John Deere Co.
Because if it meets CI spec then it is not using some group I to meet the spec.
Go ahead try to question me further. Somehow it will go back to your SOPUS bashing you are so fond of. You are like a one trick pony so giddyup.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Does it meet current specs? If so because of current basestocks and additive packages it is closer to a 15W30 than a straight 30 grade oil. I would use it in a pinch, but there are better options out there.
Dave1251 , Do you even read the full post before you reply?
The OP said CI spec oil.
As to Basestocks an additive pack , how the heck would you know Deere uses two Major oil companies to supply their product made to specs set by the John Deere Co.
Because if it meets CI spec then it is not using some group I to meet the spec.
Go ahead try to question me further. Somehow it will go back to your SOPUS bashing you are so fond of. You are like a one trick pony so giddyup.
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