Started the mowers this morning

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I've read a couple of posts on this small engine forum that claim that:

A. Running my mower with last year's gasoline will cause it not to start.
B. Using E10 fuel in my mowers will have caused the fuel lines to degrade into a gelatinous, gooey mass.

It will soon be time to start mowing, so I decided to start the mowers this morning. I left the batteries in them when they were parked in November, and both had E10 treated with Sta-Bil when parked. They are in an unheated garden shed for the winter, and the temperature is in the mid 20's this morning. It's been about 4 months since each was started.

Since I stored them for the winter under such conditions, I expect both to be difficult if not impossible to start without a lot of work. If, as claimed, both have been damaged by storage and fuel choice, I may have a nasty clean up mess on my hands.



I gave each one about 10 minutes run time before I shut it off. It took about a minute before the 210 engine really stabilized and ran smoothly/smoke free, the 757 was running smoothly within a few seconds. Interestingly enough, the exact same thing happens every spring when they are first started.

Both are kept tuned up. The 210 was brought back into service 3-4 years ago and at that time the fuel system was cleaned and restored (it had been parked for 19 years before that). The 757 has never had any work done to the fuel system other than annual replacement of the fuel filter.

The "creaking" in the background is one of the shed doors swinging in the wind.
 
I, too, store all my equipment "wet" and use fuel that is laced with some percentage of ethanol (the dispensers don't specifically refer to it as E10). I've never had a fuel system related problem with any of my equipment, which consists of 4-cycle Hondas (a GCV and a GXV) and a 2-cycle Lawn-Boy F engine.
 
Try E10 without stabil. I did on older equipment and both pieces required new fuel lines in the spring and empty of fuel.

Battery is hit or miss on working agreed.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
"and both had E10 treated with Sta-Bil when parked."

Ok so what is your point?


Read the entire post. Then go look at the other recent posts regarding E10.

Originally Posted By: rjundi
Try E10 without stabil.


I wouldn't be foolish enough to store any fuel without a stabilizer in it.
 
Storing with the tank full, and plenty of Marine Stabil is the way to go in my opinion.

Some people say storing equipment dry is the best option, and I disagree. I've had more problems with failed bowl gaskets, dried out needle valve seats, etc, when people leave their equipment dry.

I've always stored my equipment wet WITH Stabil, and mine fire up just like the OP's equipment.

OP:

What year is that 210? Looks to be in pretty good shape.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
"and both had E10 treated with Sta-Bil when parked."

Ok so what is your point?


I think that his point was that all these mythical problems caused by ethanol are a bunch of [censored].
 
Looks good to me! And after this winter, I'm glad to hear them start up!
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Seems people freak out over simple stuff...what can I say? My buddy has a pretty nice mower, and he did the same as you. Starts every year without issue. And he takes good care of his too..

Since I get to help my parents and a few neighbors with theirs, sounds like I might be getting one soon....
 
I've had more issues with cracking fuel lines and primer bulbs on my two cycle equipment anymore. I used to get 10+ years and now I get 3-4 between replacements.

The carburetors on my 4 strokes have a tendency to get varnished heavily around the needle and float pin. These were problems that didn't exist years ago. I either fog my engines or I spray a little WD40 into the carb before I finish putting them away dry.

All of the plastics that contact gasoline seem to be getting very brittle really fast compared to years prior and I've had seals dry up when they aren't old. I hear from people on both sides of the ethanol fence, but my problems have increased significantly and I've never had to clean so many carburetors both old and new in my life. I enjoy the added work load, but it's troubling to see how owner's problems have increased.

I've used a number of fuel stabilizers and treatments and none have eliminated these issues fully.
 
When the snowbirds here in az leave, lots of them add a heavy does of tcw3 to their tanks half full...

One guy out here with some antique cars uses 1/2 Oz per gallon in his sitting toys, generators, carbed motorcycles, quads, boat, everything. He's been here 6 years and leaves for 9months at a time, comes back, tops off with regular and has no issues...
 
I work on OPE as a side business. Untreated E10 fuel is a real problem in the spring for people that don't know to run a fuel stabilizer.

Since you are running Stabil, it seams that you know better and will get good service from your equipment using E10.
 
I generally store my stuff wet unless it is to be stored for a long time. I have, however, seen some rubber components get bad and drip fuel, so Ill not put a blanket statement either way.

If one runs fuel without stabilizer, they do so at their own peril. Even stabilized fuel could have some materials issues in some equipment. Think of how much junk people buy from WalMart? You don't think they will change to an inferior O-ring or material to save 50c?
 
I store all of my OPE's full of fuel and use a double dose+ of MMO for storage and normal use. I have access to premium non-oxy fuel at the pump and switched to that several years ago for all of my OPE's. I never have a problem. Unless the float bowl is removed, running the engines "dry" still leaves a small amount of fuel in the float bowl which turns into varnish and causes problems. IMO storing full of fuel is best.
 
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071

OP:

What year is that 210? Looks to be in pretty good shape.


It's a very low serial number from 1974. It was the first 210 to be delivered to our area. I used it for several years, and then stored it for almost 20 years. 3 years ago I took it out of storage, did some maintenance, and started using it again.

Originally Posted By: jhellwig
Originally Posted By: Doog
"and both had E10 treated with Sta-Bil when parked."

Ok so what is your point?


I think that his point was that all these mythical problems caused by ethanol are a bunch of [censored].


Absolutely correct. With a little common sense E10 works just as well as non-ethanol fuel. I've been using it since it was first available somewhere around 30 years ago, and never had a fuel related issue (other than replacing a carb that had been sitting dry for almost 20 years).
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit


It's a very low serial number from 1974. It was the first 210 to be delivered to our area. I used it for several years, and then stored it for almost 20 years. 3 years ago I took it out of storage, did some maintenance, and started using it again.



That's awesome. Can't beat those old Deeres.
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