Spin-on bypass filters- options?

[deeter16317]

Hmmm, that makes sense...as the filter loads over its life, it becomes a better filter. Depending on how much it holds, will determine how long its useful life is, and its filtration quality/efficiency during that life.

However, I still get hung up on the fact that even a multipass that catches 98.6% of X particulate in X passes...still catches 98.6% of X particulate? 98.6% of X particulate is better than 50% of X particulate passing??

Or for example, the Baldwin that catches 98.6% of 15u and larger particles should be more effective than a filter that catches 98.6% of 27u and larger particles, correct? If its 98.6%, then only 1.4% of any larger particles can pass.

I probably don't know the analytical method used to measure the multipass, and that's probably where my answer lies...

I'll respond to the wix people and see what they have to say about capacity.

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, yes, but when? Now assuming that they both had 16gms holding capacity, then the Baldwin would be filtering better from the get go (most likely).

I believe Baldwin will only be at that rated filtration level at the end of life.

You'll probably take neither filter to saturation.

 

[deeter16317]

They responded, 25 *ounces* of holding capacity for the 51050!!!

I would think either they quoted the wrong units or quoted me the physical fluid capacity (volume) the filter holds.

 

[Gary Allan]

Hard to say what they were talking about. 25 oz is slightly less than the filter's physical volume ..which is 30oz in displaced total volume ..so that would sorta work if the internals took up 5oz ...and 25 grams would be high for the holding capacity ..but not all that out of whack with 16gms of the Baldwin.

I'd just reply back and ask for a verification ..giving the options so that they can choose between "Did you mean physical volume of the filter, because .." or did you mean filter holding capacity in terms of filterable material ..in which case the spec should be in grams (gms)?".

 

[deeter16317]

Ok...compare these...tell me which you would choose, and why:

Baldwin B50 - 15u @ B=75 (98.6%), no nominal efficiency given. Capacity is 16.21 grams.

Wix 51050 - B=2/20/75 is 13u/25u/27u respectively, 10u nominal. Capacity is 69.06 grams.

To me the Baldwin will most likely filter better, but at a shorter life??

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: deeter16317


To me the Baldwin will most likely filter better, but at a shorter life??


Absolutely. It will reach its rated filtering level in about 1/4th the time ..probably sooner due to the finer rating at that holding capacity limit.

69gms?? I can't imagine that being right. I'd as soon believe 6.9gms and say that they would be about even in longevity due to the filtering difference.

These products should be, for the most part, 100% competitive with each other.

 

[deeter16317]

The Wix representative's response:

Yes 25 oz is Oil holding Capacity
This filter will hold 69.06 grams of dirt ..

also, this is a bypass filter and should not be used in a full-flow line as it would starve the engine for oil and cause damage. It is meant to clean about 10 % of the oil and a full-flow filter should be present somewhere also

Thank you for your interest in WIX® Filters.



I was thinking I will cut both this Wix and my Baldwin apart, just to satisfy my own curiosity!

 

[deeter16317]

READING, PA, US 02/12/2010 3:41 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY

02/12/2010 1:28 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN

HORSHAM, PA, US 02/11/2010 11:58 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
02/11/2010 2:04 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN

SECAUCUS, NJ, US 02/11/2010 12:19 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN

HORSHAM, PA, US 02/11/2010 2:00 A.M. ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS

SECAUCUS, NJ, US 02/10/2010 2:19 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN

STRATFORD, CT, US 02/10/2010 12:32 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
02/10/2010 11:20 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN

HARTFORD, CT, US 02/10/2010 10:12 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN

HORSHAM, PA, US 02/10/2010 10:00 A.M. ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS

HARTFORD, CT, US 02/10/2010 5:32 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN

SHREWSBURY, MA, US 02/10/2010 4:09 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN

SHREWSBURY, MA, US 02/09/2010 11:08 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN

BOSTON, MA, US 02/09/2010 9:01 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
02/09/2010 6:59 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN
02/09/2010 2:15 P.M. PICKUP SCAN
US 02/08/2010 1:13 P.M. BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED


Looks like my Baldwins have had an exciting road trip!!!

 

[Gary Allan]

deter, I've watched them bounce a package between West Chester and Horsham about 4 times before it got delivered ..but yours is the most scenic tour yet.

 

[deeter16317]

Wix 51050 disassembled...

 

[deeter16317]

Baldwin B50 disassembled:

 

[deeter16317]

In tearing these apart, I made the following observations:

The Wix looked more like the element from my fullflow Cummins filter, the media was very coarse. The Baldwin was a multilayer element with a very fine media (I would almost guess its a blend of cellulose and glass?).

Both used a stamped flow restrictor...falls right out.

The springs are fairly robust for both, but the Baldwin seemed stiffer.

The cans on both were fairly thin...thin compared to my CTD's Fleetguard.

 

[Texan4Life]

nice pics.

If i ever get my dodge CTD I want to added a spin on bypass. Just wish they made one that was 95 or 98% at 5 microns or less.

 

[deeter16317]

Originally Posted By: Texan4Life
nice pics.





Not bad for a Blackberry...

 

[deeter16317]

A for what its worth, this is strictly visual observation and "feel" of the oil.

The Wix was ran first (after pulling the GCF), notice the condition of the oil...very black and if you look at "thin" areas, its still very black. Running the Wix didn't seem to make much improvement in the oil (from what I was able to see before/after).

The Balwin was ran second, on the same oil...notice where its spread thin, it seems clearer. The oil drained better after running the Baldwin, than when it was first installed (from what I was able to see before/after).

The oil is Rotella 15w40 CJ-4 (same fill for both filters). I changed back to Schaeffer Series 9000 5w40 this weekend.

 

[deeter16317]

As an update, I would say that this is a very good choice for an add-on bypass (when using the Baldwin filters).

I know what my oil typically looks like at certain miles on a clean fill (owned the truck since new, currently at 211k)...its visually staying cleaner for longer than the GCF. I currently have over 5k miles on this bypass with Schaeffers S9000 5w40, and the oil is still visually clean (black, but still able to read the dipstick through it). I intend to pull a UOA sample sometime this week.

I'm almost wondering if I had the GCF pinched back in flow too far??? I was using a orifice that provided no more than a quart per minute at hot idle...MUCH less than this Baldwin.

Its doing a good job for my application. And for the record, this is a 2004.5 Cummins with the 3rd injection event for emissions. Typically the oil looks like sludge within 500 miles with no bypass, the GCF helped until about 3k miles...

As a side note, I ordered new hoses to make a neater install, should be here Friday...1/4" hydraulic hose works very well for a bypass installation as it is very tough.

 

[deeter16317]

 

[srtdiesel]

Hi guys,
I am wondering how this spin-on looks with the new hoses. Also I was wondering if anyone has used the Donaldson p564967. It is a hydraulic 3 micron filter spin on with these stats.
Length: 5.35" (136 mm)
Thread Size: 1-12
Gasket OD: 2.83" (72 mm)
Gasket ID: 2.46" (63 mm)
Outer Diameter: 3.66" (93 mm)
Efficiency Beta 2: 3 Micron
Primary Application: SPE-15-BTA-3
Product Group: FH


Synteq Media # 1 (efficiency Beta 100 6 microns) 5.35/136 P564967 Synthetic Media

I'd like to see if anyone else has done this.

 

[Gary Allan]

What are you going to use it on? On a trans it would be great. If used for soot control, I think that you'll load it rather quickly. In part the high efficiency of many bypass filters is due to the lower flow rates they see. They accomplish this with restrictors.

I don't see the SYNTEQ reference on the filter's spec's

Though 3um is a very good nominal rating.

https://dynamic.donaldson.com/webc/WebStore/search/item_detail.html?item=533284

 

[srtdiesel]

Mr. Gary,
I need a filter that is good at soot control. I am also concerned that I need something to regulate the amount of oil pressure and flow that comes through the filter. I have a FS2500 on my 98 Dodge Cummins and am hoping to be able to use a spin on for the 2004 Cummins as it is mostly a daily driver for my dad. What are some of the concerns that I should be aware of when trying to create a good bypass oil system for a light use vehicle that is a daily driver. Also are there any other recommendations that you would make for a bypass system that I am piecing together from common parts.