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Someone Please Explain Drivers' Thought Processes!
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What I love are the tailgaters. They are so close that you can see only half of their hood. Obviously this is in my Tacoma. One quick tap of the brake scares the [censored] out of them.
I was inbetween a tailgater and a left lane slowpoke. I passed the left lane slowpoke on the right and the tailgater continued to tailgate them, rather than pass.
Both were female drivers in SUVs.
Both were female drivers in SUVs.
Originally Posted By: [email protected]
My newest complaint:
You are driving down the road, giving a 3-4-5 second following distance. The person in front of you is going under the speed limits, and conditions are ideal and its lawful to go the posted speed limit.
You signal to get over, start to overtake the person. Then... THEY FLOOR IT and wont let you get past/ahead of them. But 30 seconds ago, they were going 10mph UNDER the speed limit (((Rolling eyes)))
Yes, I am a licensed and gainfully employed driver education instructor, btw. Sometimes I want to make flash cards to put up to the window when I encounter people like this. Cards that say things like "Please tell me I did NOT teach you to drive like THAT!" LOL
YES! I HATE THIS.
My newest complaint:
You are driving down the road, giving a 3-4-5 second following distance. The person in front of you is going under the speed limits, and conditions are ideal and its lawful to go the posted speed limit.
You signal to get over, start to overtake the person. Then... THEY FLOOR IT and wont let you get past/ahead of them. But 30 seconds ago, they were going 10mph UNDER the speed limit (((Rolling eyes)))
Yes, I am a licensed and gainfully employed driver education instructor, btw. Sometimes I want to make flash cards to put up to the window when I encounter people like this. Cards that say things like "Please tell me I did NOT teach you to drive like THAT!" LOL
YES! I HATE THIS.
Originally Posted By: George7941
I just do not understand some drivers. There is a broken down car with its emergency flashers on and its hood up and drivers will not make any effort to change lanes and go around it but pull up behind the broken-down car and expect it to move. What do they expect - they have such forceful personalities that their sheer presence is going to make the car move...
Why didn't the broken down car make an effort to move off the road when he was breaking down?
Was he going to will it back into operation with his forceful personality?
Now I'm not talking about the guy who's car suddenly dies at an intersection when he's at a complete stop. I'm talking about the guy who's just in the middle of the roadway.
I just do not understand some drivers. There is a broken down car with its emergency flashers on and its hood up and drivers will not make any effort to change lanes and go around it but pull up behind the broken-down car and expect it to move. What do they expect - they have such forceful personalities that their sheer presence is going to make the car move...
Why didn't the broken down car make an effort to move off the road when he was breaking down?
Was he going to will it back into operation with his forceful personality?
Now I'm not talking about the guy who's car suddenly dies at an intersection when he's at a complete stop. I'm talking about the guy who's just in the middle of the roadway.
I was on I-5 in the middle of Tacoma one night at about 11pm when the huge road, which was not being fully utilized, turned into a parking lot. Like 3 or 4 lanes stopped dead. The cause? A single stalled Torebutt in the #1 (right) lane. Likely due to the phenomena noted in the OP. People would come right up on it before stopping, and moving over; causing the other lanes to compensate. I didnt figure it out until I was 2 cars away, since I was late to the game. I was more than a little hot.
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
As for computers being reliable enough, if the computers of today can fly the space-shuttle, the computers of tomorrow will be capable of controlling a motorized vehicle.
And as one who has worked in a facility where computers had complete control over a production line, I'll pass. In an environment that was optimized for the automation process, and the possible inputs and outputs were limited to basically "X" or "Y" options, I've seen the carnage that occurs when the computers suddenly decide that they choose option "Z". Seeing $300K worth of assembly line hardware being rendered completely useless isn't a pleasant thing, not to mention the product that suddenly became scrap.
BTW, you've never seen a Japanese engineer lose his cool until you've seen someone tell him that this has happened. I'm talking about decibel levels that could drown out a turbojet engine. I had guys that worked at the other end of the more than 1 million sq/ft plant report having heard it. I can only imagine what he heard when he had to call corporate in Osaka. Better him than me...
As for computers being reliable enough, if the computers of today can fly the space-shuttle, the computers of tomorrow will be capable of controlling a motorized vehicle.
And as one who has worked in a facility where computers had complete control over a production line, I'll pass. In an environment that was optimized for the automation process, and the possible inputs and outputs were limited to basically "X" or "Y" options, I've seen the carnage that occurs when the computers suddenly decide that they choose option "Z". Seeing $300K worth of assembly line hardware being rendered completely useless isn't a pleasant thing, not to mention the product that suddenly became scrap.
BTW, you've never seen a Japanese engineer lose his cool until you've seen someone tell him that this has happened. I'm talking about decibel levels that could drown out a turbojet engine. I had guys that worked at the other end of the more than 1 million sq/ft plant report having heard it. I can only imagine what he heard when he had to call corporate in Osaka. Better him than me...
Most of these incidents, I've come to learn, depend greatly on the population. I've broken down before and, due to the fact I was in a small town, I had more than 5 people stop to help me. People tend to be more courteous in a smaller atmosphere.
In the big city, where I reside, it is pretty bad. I used to get angry and had a good deal of trouble controlling myself when someone would do something disrespectful. Life is simply too short to continue acting this way and I've changed, even though it is difficult to avoid retaliation.
In the big city, where I reside, it is pretty bad. I used to get angry and had a good deal of trouble controlling myself when someone would do something disrespectful. Life is simply too short to continue acting this way and I've changed, even though it is difficult to avoid retaliation.
Most really are idiots. The floor it to prevent passing or changing lanes for a highway interchange thing is one of the worst. When they do that, being that it's typically some [censored] in an econobox, I'll just punch it and go anyway, the Jeep has enough power.
Tailgaters [censored] me off too, particularly when they're high beaming me, getting annoyed for me doing 60 in the right lane, when the left lane is wide open, and there's plenty of opportunity for them to pass.
As far as self-driving cars, no thanks, I like driving.
Tailgaters [censored] me off too, particularly when they're high beaming me, getting annoyed for me doing 60 in the right lane, when the left lane is wide open, and there's plenty of opportunity for them to pass.
As far as self-driving cars, no thanks, I like driving.
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
What I love are the tailgaters. They are so close that you can see only half of their hood. Obviously this is in my Tacoma. One quick tap of the brake scares the [censored] out of them.
If you are in the fast lane, move over. If you are not, then yeah the tail gater is the jerk. The slower traffic holding people up can be just as dangerous as the tailgater because they cause people to do risky things to GET AROUND them.
What I love are the tailgaters. They are so close that you can see only half of their hood. Obviously this is in my Tacoma. One quick tap of the brake scares the [censored] out of them.
If you are in the fast lane, move over. If you are not, then yeah the tail gater is the jerk. The slower traffic holding people up can be just as dangerous as the tailgater because they cause people to do risky things to GET AROUND them.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
What I love are the tailgaters. They are so close that you can see only half of their hood. Obviously this is in my Tacoma. One quick tap of the brake scares the [censored] out of them.
If you are in the fast lane, move over. If you are not, then yeah the tail gater is the jerk. The slower traffic holding people up can be just as dangerous as the tailgater because they cause people to do risky things to GET AROUND them.
Not that it isn't wrong for a slower driver to be driving in the left lane because it is, but a tailgater is ALWAYS a jerk. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING gives anyone the right to tailgate. I don't care how fast you want to drive, or how slow the person in front of you is driving, that doesn't give you, or anyone else the right to tailgate. Tailgating purposely puts other drivers at risk and you simply don't have a right to do that.
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
What I love are the tailgaters. They are so close that you can see only half of their hood. Obviously this is in my Tacoma. One quick tap of the brake scares the [censored] out of them.
If you are in the fast lane, move over. If you are not, then yeah the tail gater is the jerk. The slower traffic holding people up can be just as dangerous as the tailgater because they cause people to do risky things to GET AROUND them.
Not that it isn't wrong for a slower driver to be driving in the left lane because it is, but a tailgater is ALWAYS a jerk. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING gives anyone the right to tailgate. I don't care how fast you want to drive, or how slow the person in front of you is driving, that doesn't give you, or anyone else the right to tailgate. Tailgating purposely puts other drivers at risk and you simply don't have a right to do that.
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Why didn't the broken down car make an effort to move off the road when he was breaking down?
Because he probably slammed the brakes on as soon as the engine died. The brake pedal, as you know, is the solution to all of your automotive problems. Simply push it and whatever is wrong will be made well again. It just started to rain hard? Slam on the brakes. Just pulled in front of an 18 wheeler and the air horns are blaring? Slam on the brakes.
Why didn't the broken down car make an effort to move off the road when he was breaking down?
Because he probably slammed the brakes on as soon as the engine died. The brake pedal, as you know, is the solution to all of your automotive problems. Simply push it and whatever is wrong will be made well again. It just started to rain hard? Slam on the brakes. Just pulled in front of an 18 wheeler and the air horns are blaring? Slam on the brakes.
Originally Posted By: rshunter
I've seen the carnage that occurs when the computers suddenly decide that they choose option "Z". Seeing $300K worth of assembly line hardware being rendered completely useless isn't a pleasant thing, not to mention the product that suddenly became scrap.
The stuxnet virus is designed to do exactly that: Render expensive hardware scrap. It apparently modifies the programming in VFDs so that the controlled motors run at the wrong speed damaging them.
I've seen the carnage that occurs when the computers suddenly decide that they choose option "Z". Seeing $300K worth of assembly line hardware being rendered completely useless isn't a pleasant thing, not to mention the product that suddenly became scrap.
The stuxnet virus is designed to do exactly that: Render expensive hardware scrap. It apparently modifies the programming in VFDs so that the controlled motors run at the wrong speed damaging them.
I was walking across an opening bridge in the south once when the gates went down and the bridge swung open so all the traffic had to stop. I then noticed that one of the cars in the line had a flat tire, with a young woman driving, and a baby in a car seat in the back so I offered to help her change the tire. Nobody was going to move for ten minutes or so, but still I was working as fast as I could with it close to 100 degrees. The biting gnats didn't make things any more pleasant and then the guy behind us started honking his horn! I mean, what was he hoping to achieve? I went back there with the tire iron in my hand and told him to cut it out, and I could tell he was mad drunk--he probably couldn't have stood up. That's the kind of person that makes me shake my head when I see it. What are they thinking?
Originally Posted By: rshunter
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
As for computers being reliable enough, if the computers of today can fly the space-shuttle, the computers of tomorrow will be capable of controlling a motorized vehicle.
And as one who has worked in a facility where computers had complete control over a production line, I'll pass. In an environment that was optimized for the automation process, and the possible inputs and outputs were limited to basically "X" or "Y" options, I've seen the carnage that occurs when the computers suddenly decide that they choose option "Z". Seeing $300K worth of assembly line hardware being rendered completely useless isn't a pleasant thing, not to mention the product that suddenly became scrap.
BTW, you've never seen a Japanese engineer lose his cool until you've seen someone tell him that this has happened. I'm talking about decibel levels that could drown out a turbojet engine. I had guys that worked at the other end of the more than 1 million sq/ft plant report having heard it. I can only imagine what he heard when he had to call corporate in Osaka. Better him than me...
As an electronic engineer/teck who worked for a company that designed very reliable computer systems, I remember the system we built for detecting a rip in the cooling of steel as it passed through a continuous casting cooling mold. The customer decided that they did NOT want a computer in charge of making the final decision to stop the production line. Therefore when our system detected that a rip had occurred it was wired to set off an alarm. The operator then was to decide to push a button to stop the line long enough to allow the rip to heal. We told them they were nuts to rely on the operator, but they would not listen. It took about two weeks before out system detected an alarm, set off the horn, and the operator did not push the button quick enough. The liquid steel then pored out of the bottom of the continuous caster and destroyed all of the production line below it. The steel mill was down for a month to pull out and replace everything that was destroyed. But the day after the accident they were on the phone with us asking how long would it take for us to wire our system to shut down the line so it would automatically avoid a break-out when there was a rip.
I have worked with computer controlled milling machines, and I know that the first thing you can expect from them is a crash.
However the applications for the software that will control vehicle will be used in so many vehicles that the cost of doing it right is small compared to the number of users. It is well worth doing.
If you are old enough to remember the protest to end the Vietnam War, you will remember that the driving force behind the movement was the amount of United States Solders that were killed and wounded each year.
As we are today, there are more people killed in vehicle accidents in the United States in two years, than the number of United States Solders killed in all the years we were involved in Vietnam.
When the automated vehicle reaches the point that it can physically and economically work with the required reliability, AND the public is informed of the real yearly cost in lives lost, and crippled, THEN the cry for automated vehicles will be greater that the demand to end the Vietnam War.
Automated vehicles are on the way here, and having had to dodge out of the way of terrible drivers who would have destroyed my vehicle more than once in my years of driving, I for one will welcome it when it becomes the standard.
Google has 7 automated cars that have now driven 140,000 miles on public roads.
One of the biggest problems the Google automated vehicles now have is interacting with other vehicles that are controlled by humans making incorrect traffic decisions. When the human is taken out of the control and proper computer control is used the accident rate will become much less than one percent of what it is now.
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
As for computers being reliable enough, if the computers of today can fly the space-shuttle, the computers of tomorrow will be capable of controlling a motorized vehicle.
And as one who has worked in a facility where computers had complete control over a production line, I'll pass. In an environment that was optimized for the automation process, and the possible inputs and outputs were limited to basically "X" or "Y" options, I've seen the carnage that occurs when the computers suddenly decide that they choose option "Z". Seeing $300K worth of assembly line hardware being rendered completely useless isn't a pleasant thing, not to mention the product that suddenly became scrap.
BTW, you've never seen a Japanese engineer lose his cool until you've seen someone tell him that this has happened. I'm talking about decibel levels that could drown out a turbojet engine. I had guys that worked at the other end of the more than 1 million sq/ft plant report having heard it. I can only imagine what he heard when he had to call corporate in Osaka. Better him than me...
As an electronic engineer/teck who worked for a company that designed very reliable computer systems, I remember the system we built for detecting a rip in the cooling of steel as it passed through a continuous casting cooling mold. The customer decided that they did NOT want a computer in charge of making the final decision to stop the production line. Therefore when our system detected that a rip had occurred it was wired to set off an alarm. The operator then was to decide to push a button to stop the line long enough to allow the rip to heal. We told them they were nuts to rely on the operator, but they would not listen. It took about two weeks before out system detected an alarm, set off the horn, and the operator did not push the button quick enough. The liquid steel then pored out of the bottom of the continuous caster and destroyed all of the production line below it. The steel mill was down for a month to pull out and replace everything that was destroyed. But the day after the accident they were on the phone with us asking how long would it take for us to wire our system to shut down the line so it would automatically avoid a break-out when there was a rip.
I have worked with computer controlled milling machines, and I know that the first thing you can expect from them is a crash.
However the applications for the software that will control vehicle will be used in so many vehicles that the cost of doing it right is small compared to the number of users. It is well worth doing.
If you are old enough to remember the protest to end the Vietnam War, you will remember that the driving force behind the movement was the amount of United States Solders that were killed and wounded each year.
As we are today, there are more people killed in vehicle accidents in the United States in two years, than the number of United States Solders killed in all the years we were involved in Vietnam.
When the automated vehicle reaches the point that it can physically and economically work with the required reliability, AND the public is informed of the real yearly cost in lives lost, and crippled, THEN the cry for automated vehicles will be greater that the demand to end the Vietnam War.
Automated vehicles are on the way here, and having had to dodge out of the way of terrible drivers who would have destroyed my vehicle more than once in my years of driving, I for one will welcome it when it becomes the standard.
Google has 7 automated cars that have now driven 140,000 miles on public roads.
One of the biggest problems the Google automated vehicles now have is interacting with other vehicles that are controlled by humans making incorrect traffic decisions. When the human is taken out of the control and proper computer control is used the accident rate will become much less than one percent of what it is now.
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America could really use a complete overhaul of its driving culture. One quick solution would be to make the automatic transmission only available by prescription. Less draconian solutions don't come to mind. Anyone?
In Bahrain (the only Arab country that allows consuming of alcohol) if a vehicle is stopped and the driver is guilty of DUI they put EVERYONE who was in the vehicle up against a wall and pull the trigger.
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