Somali pirates kill 4 Americans.

[cbear]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
The 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing and the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie were retaliation for the 1986 attack on Beirut. Libya actually paid 35 million dollars restitution for the disco bombing and offered 2.7 billion dollars compensation for the families of the victims of the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing.

A message needs to be sent, but it must be aimed at the perpetrators, not just aimlessly at anyone.


Libya paid restitution for bombings, that were in response to an attack on Lebanon? Did you mean the US attack on Tripoli?

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: cbear
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
The 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing and the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie were retaliation for the 1986 attack on Beirut. Libya actually paid 35 million dollars restitution for the disco bombing and offered 2.7 billion dollars compensation for the families of the victims of the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing.

A message needs to be sent, but it must be aimed at the perpetrators, not just aimlessly at anyone.



Libya paid restitution for bombings, that were in response to an attack on Lebanon? Did you mean the US attack on Tripoli?


Yes, I did mean Tripoli, Libya, not Beirut, Lebanon. Thanks for paying attention!

 

[tmorris1]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1

You sound like a broken record... "Please cite your sources".

I'm not writing a newspaper article here. This is an Oil Forum. I don't think anything I have written is disputed.

The pirates are now effecting not only US interests, so I feel it is time to do something. They are affecting world shipping. Most of the collateral damage would be fabricated through propaganda because many of the people living in these areas are knowingly helping the pirates for profit so they are no better than the pirates.

And no I am not going to cite a source.


So you got nothing substantial then?

So what exactly do you disagree with that you keep wanting me to cite a source?

 

[shrooms]

The Somali pirates are a scourge. They need to be eradicated. The US should have some destroyers on patrol and a no boat zone where the pirates usually use. Any boat in that area, BOOM! Blow them out of the water.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: shrooms
The Somali pirates are a scourge. They need to be eradicated. The US should have some destroyers on patrol and a no boat zone where the pirates usually use. Any boat in that area, BOOM! Blow them out of the water.



In the perfect world that's how it would be, along with changing the rules of engagement! When the pirates have to swim several miles in shark chummed waters to safety, they'll find a new occupation. Until then nothing is going to change.

 

[jcwit]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
They were idiots thinking that they would be safe out in those waters.

We need an AC-130 to patrol those waters for a few weeks and those pirates will get the message.



Calling folks idots doing what they were doing is a little over the top. But feel as you wish, in the end you also shall be judged.

I do agree with your second statement tho.

 

[tmorris1]

I know it doesn't do any good to call the people who were murdered idiots, but you have to question their thinking. All of the family says they are shocked that this happened. How can you be shocked that they were killed by pirates when they were sailing off the coast of Somalia? Its a terrible thing to have happen, but they knowingly made the decision to put themselves in harms way. I guess the family could fell good that they died doing what they loved.

 

[CivicFan]

Originally Posted By: tmorris1
I know it doesn't do any good to call the people who were murdered idiots, but you have to question their thinking. All of the family says they are shocked that this happened. How can you be shocked that they were killed by pirates when they were sailing off the coast of Somalia? Its a terrible thing to have happen, but they knowingly made the decision to put themselves in harms way. I guess the family could fell good that they died doing what they loved.


While we hear a lot about this in the news, this is not really a big risk for an individual vessel.

As far as the killing goes, it is a very bad business practice for the pirates (why would you destroy your asset?). Which makes me think that there were more events than what we are being told.

 

[tmorris1]

Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
I know it doesn't do any good to call the people who were murdered idiots, but you have to question their thinking. All of the family says they are shocked that this happened. How can you be shocked that they were killed by pirates when they were sailing off the coast of Somalia? Its a terrible thing to have happen, but they knowingly made the decision to put themselves in harms way. I guess the family could fell good that they died doing what they loved.


While we hear a lot about this in the news, this is not really a big risk for an individual vessel.

As far as the killing goes, it is a very bad business practice for the pirates (why would you destroy your asset?). Which makes me think that there were more events than what we are being told.

Who would have paid their ransom anyway? I don't think the family was rich. I suppose the risk to individual vessels can be argued all you want, but I still don't understand why anyone would want to be there?

 

[CivicFan]

Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Who would have paid their ransom anyway? I don't think the family was rich. I suppose the risk to individual vessels can be argued all you want, but I still don't understand why anyone would want to be there?


Our government would be one party willing to pay the ransom (even though the governments say they do not pay ransom). friends and family could also pay the ransom.

When my cousin was kidnapped in Iraq, it was his employer that paid the ransom.

 

[tmorris1]

Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Who would have paid their ransom anyway? I don't think the family was rich. I suppose the risk to individual vessels can be argued all you want, but I still don't understand why anyone would want to be there?


Our government would be one party willing to pay the ransom (even though the governments say they do not pay ransom). friends and family could also pay the ransom.

When my cousin was kidnapped in Iraq, it was his employer that paid the ransom.

Was your cousin a military contractor? I can see the employer paying, but these people were just individuals. Where did they think the money would come from? If our gov. starts paying ransoms we are all in trouble because everything will escalate.

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
A message needs to be sent, but it must be aimed at the perpetrators, not just aimlessly at anyone.

Their ability to harass Americans and other commerce needs to be removed. These pirates are backed by the war lords that rule Somalia like the ones that attacked our troops in the early 90's.
These are military dictatorships that are using military tactics to fund their operations.

To continue to allow this piracy is to continue to fund these dictators and encourage the behavior.

Shelling their assets that allow them to conduct these operations against commerce is a perfectly valid use of military power.

 

[Ursae_Majoris]

Did anyone read an update to it? I guess we decided to detain two of the pirate commanders while negotiating for hostage release. Their underlings killed the hostages.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/24/rep...test=latestnews

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
The FBI's decision to seize two pirate chiefs


Why in the world is the FBI aboard a Navy ship in international waters??? This is much more disturbing than the piracy.

 

[Vikas]

If pirates take over a ship, why don't we just blow up the ship? This is similar to airplane hijacking, post 9/11. We can overlook small problem of killing the hostages but we can assume they would have been killed by the pirates anyways. That certainly would put a stop to all the piracy quickly.

My solution is as idiotic as any other posted here.

~/~

- Vikas

 

[Mr Nice]

A 1000 Lb laser guided bomb from a Super Hornet will do just fine.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1

You sound like a broken record... "Please cite your sources".

I'm not writing a newspaper article here. This is an Oil Forum. I don't think anything I have written is disputed.

The pirates are now effecting not only US interests, so I feel it is time to do something. They are affecting world shipping. Most of the collateral damage would be fabricated through propaganda because many of the people living in these areas are knowingly helping the pirates for profit so they are no better than the pirates.

And no I am not going to cite a source.


So you got nothing substantial then?

So what exactly do you disagree with that you keep wanting me to cite a source?


I just want to see based on what sources you form your opinions, for example the one that we know the pirates' location, or as you said, "the towns that they occupy."

 

[tmorris1]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: tmorris1

You sound like a broken record... "Please cite your sources".

I'm not writing a newspaper article here. This is an Oil Forum. I don't think anything I have written is disputed.

The pirates are now effecting not only US interests, so I feel it is time to do something. They are affecting world shipping. Most of the collateral damage would be fabricated through propaganda because many of the people living in these areas are knowingly helping the pirates for profit so they are no better than the pirates.

And no I am not going to cite a source.


So you got nothing substantial then?

So what exactly do you disagree with that you keep wanting me to cite a source?


I just want to see based on what sources you form your opinions, for example the one that we know the pirates' location, or as you said, "the towns that they occupy."

There are multiple news sources all over the net that support this. You name a news source and they have a story on this, its not like I went to some wack jobs webpage and considered it gospel.

 

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
If I had reign over the captured pirates, I would tie one rope around one leg and throw them overboard, throttle the boat to full and drag them until they drown. Then...Out comes the shovel! There is no need for Political Correctness in international waters.


You use shovels for funerals at sea?

I'm just proud that I can boast to live in times during which pirates roam the seas!


Why, yes! Shovels are good for cutting up and chunking the parts out to sea!!

 

[unDummy]

Problem is, everything we do needs to be political correct and look good in the eyes of foreigners.

So, nothing will be done.

If you sink a couple pirate boats, they'll just bring babies and women along for the ride.

And, the local Pirates Union has a guaranteed member replacement policy. So, if you dispatch a few hundred, they'll have to hire a few hundred more. Its part of their no lay-off union membership count continuance clause.