My wife and I are looking to buy a new car this year sometime. We both really like the new camry. I have read on this site about some of the sludge issues with older toyota cars. Is this an ongoing issue with their new car line also or just pertaining to some of the older motors?
sludge issue with new toyotas
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No, it has been fixed ages ago...but it seems as though their new automatics are having some electronic problems, though it only seems to affect a very small percentage of the cars being built.
The 08 Accord is launching this fall and will bring a new perspective to that segment, so I wouldn't buy the Camry just yet.
The 08 Accord is launching this fall and will bring a new perspective to that segment, so I wouldn't buy the Camry just yet.
Differnt engines and service intervals. Current Toyota engines are hard to match.
They (Toyota) have a documented and repetitive history of stonewalling, decieveing, and BSing their customers about their(Toyota's) engine sludge issues. I would avoid their products like the plague. Good luck with your new purchase sir.
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Rickey.
Sludge issue is an easy fix. If you have one of the proven Sludgers. 5000 mi OCI with a Synthetic.
Newer Toyotas... 5000 mi OCI with a quality Dino or Blend.
If they are now recommending 5W-20 I would use Motorcraft Synthetic Blend just because its a good price point and a well proven product.
Newer Toyotas... 5000 mi OCI with a quality Dino or Blend.
If they are now recommending 5W-20 I would use Motorcraft Synthetic Blend just because its a good price point and a well proven product.
Agree with above. I've put over 80k on an Avalon myself - trouble free and we have another four Toyotas in the family that I service. New Camrys, Highlander, Corolla - all different engines, each really well built. I wouldn't hesitate to buy any of the cars they sell. The sludge problem was fixed years ago, and new "issues" will develop as the demand for mileage and performance continues.
That said, corporate denial of a problem is not out of their range. Tragically, that applies to many if not all corporations. Edsel. Moon. Studebaker. ENRON.
Get one you like. Change the oil @5k with a synth or a blend and use the approved fluids in the trans etc. Enjoy the car!
That said, corporate denial of a problem is not out of their range. Tragically, that applies to many if not all corporations. Edsel. Moon. Studebaker. ENRON.
Get one you like. Change the oil @5k with a synth or a blend and use the approved fluids in the trans etc. Enjoy the car!
Gene K.--I have a "proven sludger" (2001 Camry 2.2L 5sfe) and am doing 3,000 mile OCI's with good quality dinos--In your opinion should this be sufficient to prevent sludging? (I'd rather do 3,000 dino than 5,000 syn due to the high cost of syn)
The Camry hybrid seemed like a really nice car when I drove it. Have fun.
Should be sufficient. 3000 mi OCI with a High Quality Dino or Motorcraft 5w30 Synthetic Blend. The only sludge problems I have seen on 3000 mi OCI were chronic short tripper 3.0L's. The 2.2L isnt as bad as the 3.0L.
It might not hurt to use Auto-Rx on it every 30,000 mi or so though.
Thanks!
You could say the same thing about any other car maker. Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc.
My wife bought a 2005 Camry a couple of years ago. We change the oil twice a year. The car has been totally trouble free and runs great. The fit and finish of this car is FAR superior to my "american" made SUV.
If this were a common problem industry-wide, you might have a point. Since it's not, you probably don't. Or maybe Toyota owners just neglect their cars more than the drivers of other makes?
most avg joes and janes who own imports tend to have a false peace of mind, figuring that their cars are indistructable (NOT if you don't service/change your oil!!!). My typical question raised would be: how many Toyota owners out there that you know of would rigidly abide by their scheduled service interval?? How many???
I know only roughly 1/4 of them would do so on a regular basis, about 1/3 to 1/2 of them are tempremental meanig that they would claimed that they are always "busy" and skip services with all kinds of excuses until something major breaks then they bring their vehicles in and complain/whine.
About 1/4 of them never service their car on a regular/scheduled basis until their car starting to smoke and engine makes funny noises or their lease are up. Then they spend their "rather precious" time complaining about Toyota's quality and poor service and such on the internet.
IMHO it all boils down to the quality of bulk oil used in dealerships and how "rigid" the owner abide by their scheduled service interval. If neither of these 2 can be met, I bet ya not only a Toyota would fail, but so does GeeM, Ford, Mazda, Honda, Nissan......
Conclusion: thank goodness for BITOG, I'm more at-ease now knowing that all these time my believe in rigid regular servicing schedule and OC have paid off with reliable vehicles and trouble-free miles for over 2 decades, and more to come....
Q.
p.s. For those who don't look at their own OCI/service maintenance schedule or can never understand what "severe service schedule" on their manual means, they should consider looking into their mirror and ask themselves why....
I know only roughly 1/4 of them would do so on a regular basis, about 1/3 to 1/2 of them are tempremental meanig that they would claimed that they are always "busy" and skip services with all kinds of excuses until something major breaks then they bring their vehicles in and complain/whine.
About 1/4 of them never service their car on a regular/scheduled basis until their car starting to smoke and engine makes funny noises or their lease are up. Then they spend their "rather precious" time complaining about Toyota's quality and poor service and such on the internet.
IMHO it all boils down to the quality of bulk oil used in dealerships and how "rigid" the owner abide by their scheduled service interval. If neither of these 2 can be met, I bet ya not only a Toyota would fail, but so does GeeM, Ford, Mazda, Honda, Nissan......
Conclusion: thank goodness for BITOG, I'm more at-ease now knowing that all these time my believe in rigid regular servicing schedule and OC have paid off with reliable vehicles and trouble-free miles for over 2 decades, and more to come....
Q.
p.s. For those who don't look at their own OCI/service maintenance schedule or can never understand what "severe service schedule" on their manual means, they should consider looking into their mirror and ask themselves why....
Good point on the transmissions. The new Toyota 6-speed ATs have problems (flares/slips between shifts). The older 5- and 4-speeds are fine. All new Toyota engines are great, except maybe for the 1.8L ZZ series that sometimes have issues, especially the 2ZZ.
Wait until that 8 speed Lexus transmission gets shared.
One thing that is brought up in the industry trade press, Wards and Automotive News, is that as Toyota grows rapidly their biggest issue is living up to their quality standards. With the growth they are having now they can not hire enough qualified people to continue this growth. They are having to throttle back their expectations to meet their hiring limitations. San Antonio is having trouble ramping up because of this very problem. However, having a lawsuit forcing you to fix an issue that to this day they are still blaming on owners would certainly make me feel that Toyota is no different than any other big corporation.
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