Shifting degrades quickly after fluid change.

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Have 700 miles on the Royal Purple. Fuel economy is down 10%+

Also people keep recomending fluids with no additional comment. What are these reccomendations based on? How do you know its going to work well in this application. Have you run this fluid in a Ford manual that uses ATF as a lube? Made this mistake once, not again.

Sure the royal purple makes it shift nice but I'm down on power and MPG.

I want to dump this Royal Purple but want to make the right decision since its going to cost another $30




I think everyone is struggling with this one. You put a fluid with a Visc. of 35cSt@40° (7.7 cSt@100°) and it's bogged the car down... a remarkable loss of MPG. I keep thinking something else is going on.

My initial recommendation is MTF, but the vis at 40°C is 47! On the other hand I have more than one customer who is happy as a clam with MTF in the EXACT vehicle. No change in carefully monitored MPG.

Take a look at: Amsoil ATD

or

Amsoil ATF if you want to go even thinner. ATD should be an improvement over factory shifting without altering the viscosity.
 
Have you ever changed the sparkplugs on your Ranger? It should use "100k", platinium plugs but it's been my experience that by 60-80k mpg's go up due to plug wear.
That you immediately noticed a drop in mpg's goes against this but I'd take a look at the plugs anyhow.
 
I have a Mazda M5OD transmission on my '95 F150 and am running Specialty Formulations Syncroglide. Has 20,000 miles on the fluid and no degradation in shifting over that period. I have run Redline D4 and Mobil 1 ATF. All performed roughly similar. The Syncroglide maybe a bit better as thicker.

I once filled it with 10w40 motor oil and it shifted fine.

Filled it with 20w50 and it did not want to go into gears. Too thick.
 
If anyone requiring ATF makes the Redline D4 ATF turn black in 8k miles, you have something going on in that transmission. A UOA would be interesting.

My recommendation is that everyone use a fluid at least for a 2nd interval prior to judging it. With all the rinsing of the previous fluid, and the pickiness of some manuals, you truly are NOT benefitting from jumping among all the available manual fluids.

I also will NOT believe that switching from ATF to RP SynchroMAX would cause ANY power or MPG loss. I've installed the RP fluid in enough transmissions and it hasn't failed in any of those units.

I also suspect that transmission fluid level might be too low or grossly too high if there was a difference among 'like' fluids. I fill my manuals when cold with cold fluid on a perfectly level surface or lift. I then purposely overfill manuals about 4-8 ounces of fluid. Unlike automatics, I haven't had any negative issues with overfilled manuals. I wouldn't overfill more then a pint on smaller units. And, some actually benefit from the overfill which quieter operation and smoother shifts.

I also read a ZF paper based on fluid viscosity and MPG. The difference in MPG dropping from 7.5 to 6cst in an automatic was 1.1%. I just refuse to believe that switching from ATF to a similar mildly thicker MTF would cause a 10% MPG change. Sorry, you need to do some investigating.

BTW, I've used and installed most of the ATFs/MTFs that I regularly recommend. I find that transmissions can be picky and sometimes you have to try other options before finding the perfect one for your driving style and transmission's tolerance.

If you are not doing the maintenance and are not watching your mechanic add your fluid, don't bother slamming the fluid. Sorry, I just find that too many times the unethical underpaid newbie techs will keep the fancy fluid for themselves while installing the shops bulk fluid. Even reputable shops aren't as reputable as you hope for. Ethics have all but disappeared in society today.
 
Nothing to investigate. I don't care if you don't believe me. Your belief isn't making my truck work better. The power difference is dramatic.

I think I have already posted this but the Redline performed the best. It was the first fluid I used and lasted the longest.

The specialty formulations followed the redline and didn't last as long.

I have a sample of the last fill. Should I send it in? It has 8k on it. I am not sure its worth testing just to find out its wasted. I already know it is.

BTW plugs are new, engine oil is new, air filter new, fuel filter new, new serpentine belt. Tires recently rotated and balanced, rearend fluid done 10k ago.
 
My son just bought his first vehicle, a 92 F150 I6 with the 5 spd. I used Mobil 1 ATF on the transmission fluid change, and sometimes it would get a bit 'notchy'. This morning I put in 1/2 bottle of the Lubegard red and it shifts better. I may put the rest of the bottle in as it doesn't seem like it it'd bother anything, unlike when I used it on the 93 and 99 Taurii to reduce shudder, where too much would start a bit of slippage.

The MTFs being discussed are attractive, but it does get cool around here in the winter sometimes and a thicker fluid might cause problems ?
 
I would try the Redline High Temp ATF before I gave up. As others have said, there is more going on here than just fluid turning dark. I would have oil analyses done to track this supposed drop in performance.
 
"Ethics have all but disappeared in society today."

Indeed.

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Well, I put in the RL D4 today and pretty happy with it. Drain plug appears to be magnetized and was covered with 1/16" of metal slurry and shavings. Vehicle has 4,600 miles.

Huhwhye, I will monitor and see if shifting degrades. FWIW the factory fill came out still reddish but a bit darkened.
 
I use RP in my Mustang T5 Transmission and have nothing but good things to say about it. I just cant imagine that the RP is causing your truck to lug.

With my T5, there was always a point (about 45min) when my shifting would start to get harder. After warm, I would always have a problem getting into first gear from a stop. After changing to RP. The T5 shifts well all the time. No more problems with first and no changes in the shift effort. Car has 157,000 on it.
 
I had two Rangers, a ’92 and an ’02, both with the Mazda 5sp. I changed the trans. fluid in both at least 2 or 3 times during my ownership, usually with Mobil1 ATF or one of the Redline ATFs. I also ran Redline MTL once. Old oil always came out reddish, perhaps somewhat darkened, but never black, even after 20K+ miles. Sure seems like something else is going on with the transmission.
 
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