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Interesting how they use the term "interchangeable low viscosity base oil". Does that mean it depends on what is available that day for blending?
Thanks for posting that wemay. I'm afraid though that it may prompt more questions than answers.
Thanks for posting that wemay. I'm afraid though that it may prompt more questions than answers.
wemay
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I was wondering the same thing. Expecially since the MSDS also say "The highly refined mineral oil is only present as an additive diluent."
Not that it matters but it looks like Group III judging by that pour point and the words "Highly Refined".
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wemay
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Any time OP.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Not that it matters but it looks like Group III judging by that pour point and the words "Highly Refined".
They make it pretty clear that the mineral oil is just there to carry the additives.
Even if you're not a fan of Group III, it's a lot more than just refined (i.e. filtered) oil from the ground.
Not that it matters but it looks like Group III judging by that pour point and the words "Highly Refined".
They make it pretty clear that the mineral oil is just there to carry the additives.
Even if you're not a fan of Group III, it's a lot more than just refined (i.e. filtered) oil from the ground.
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Anybody have access to any data like additive package , TNB # , noack # I've been unable to find any good info so far
Your curiosity is understood, yet specs are the best indicator of performance we get. This is dexos1 Gen2, which beats any SN, GF-5, Ford, FCA, or Asian car specs.
If you're into Total Base Number (TBN, not "TNB"), NOACK, etc., then you can find the best numbers in the German spec oils that exceed dexos1 Gen2 performance levels. For a 6.2L 2017 F250, Ford asks for an HTHS 3.0 oil, which corresponds to BMW LL-01FE 0w30 or you could use any MB 229.5 oil, such as M1 0w40 or Castrol 0w40, especially good if you tow or haul since its a bit thicker than dexos1 grades.
Anybody have access to any data like additive package , TNB # , noack # I've been unable to find any good info so far
Your curiosity is understood, yet specs are the best indicator of performance we get. This is dexos1 Gen2, which beats any SN, GF-5, Ford, FCA, or Asian car specs.
If you're into Total Base Number (TBN, not "TNB"), NOACK, etc., then you can find the best numbers in the German spec oils that exceed dexos1 Gen2 performance levels. For a 6.2L 2017 F250, Ford asks for an HTHS 3.0 oil, which corresponds to BMW LL-01FE 0w30 or you could use any MB 229.5 oil, such as M1 0w40 or Castrol 0w40, especially good if you tow or haul since its a bit thicker than dexos1 grades.
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted by StevieC
Not that it matters but it looks like Group III judging by that pour point and the words "Highly Refined".
They make it pretty clear that the mineral oil is just there to carry the additives.
Even if you're not a fan of Group III, it's a lot more than just refined (i.e. filtered) oil from the ground.
I was just pointing it out, I could care less what basestock an oil uses... It was just for discussion. Not because I thought it was bad.
I do wonder if it can fix exhaust problems being so inferior.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Not that it matters but it looks like Group III judging by that pour point and the words "Highly Refined".
They make it pretty clear that the mineral oil is just there to carry the additives.
Even if you're not a fan of Group III, it's a lot more than just refined (i.e. filtered) oil from the ground.
I was just pointing it out, I could care less what basestock an oil uses... It was just for discussion. Not because I thought it was bad.
I do wonder if it can fix exhaust problems being so inferior.
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Originally Posted by kstanf150
In the area of Georgia I live in, European spec oil doesn't
exists on store shelf's here. I found PP Euro L 5w30 once
and tried it.....valve train noise was much louder than usual
Walmart has at least 2 kinds of 0w-40 in german specs. That would be the only oil that can beat Rotella Gas Truck dexos1 in performance level. You'd be fine with either.
Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=0w-40&cat_id=91083&typeahead=0w-40 bargain prices for that kind of oil. They can ship it in to a store within 2 days if they don't already stock it.
In the area of Georgia I live in, European spec oil doesn't
exists on store shelf's here. I found PP Euro L 5w30 once
and tried it.....valve train noise was much louder than usual
Walmart has at least 2 kinds of 0w-40 in german specs. That would be the only oil that can beat Rotella Gas Truck dexos1 in performance level. You'd be fine with either.
Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=0w-40&cat_id=91083&typeahead=0w-40 bargain prices for that kind of oil. They can ship it in to a store within 2 days if they don't already stock it.
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
If you're into Total Base Number (TBN, not "TNB"), NOACK, etc., then you can find the best numbers in the German spec oils that exceed dexos1 Gen2 performance levels. For a 6.2L 2017 F250, Ford asks for an HTHS 3.0 oil, which corresponds to BMW LL-01FE 0w30 or you could use any MB 229.5 oil, such as M1 0w40 or Castrol 0w40, especially good if you tow or haul since its a bit thicker than dexos1 grades.
Alternatively, you could choose an E6 lube which will have enhanced TBN and HTHS, like the one I'm using in the G right now, particularly if one is interested in the ROTELLA line.
If you're into Total Base Number (TBN, not "TNB"), NOACK, etc., then you can find the best numbers in the German spec oils that exceed dexos1 Gen2 performance levels. For a 6.2L 2017 F250, Ford asks for an HTHS 3.0 oil, which corresponds to BMW LL-01FE 0w30 or you could use any MB 229.5 oil, such as M1 0w40 or Castrol 0w40, especially good if you tow or haul since its a bit thicker than dexos1 grades.
Alternatively, you could choose an E6 lube which will have enhanced TBN and HTHS, like the one I'm using in the G right now, particularly if one is interested in the ROTELLA line.
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by kstanf150
In the area of Georgia I live in, European spec oil doesn't
exists on store shelf's here. I found PP Euro L 5w30 once
and tried it.....valve train noise was much louder than usual
Walmart has at least 2 kinds of 0w-40 in german specs. That would be the only oil that can beat Rotella Gas Truck dexos1 in performance level. You'd be fine with either.
Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=0w-40&cat_id=91083&typeahead=0w-40 bargain prices for that kind of oil. They can ship it in to a store within 2 days if they don't already stock it.
What? Only 0w-40 with euro specs could beat gas truck in performance? What does that even mean?
Are you trying to say that the euro specs are better than d1g2? Or are you trying to say that those are the only oils better than gas truck? Or that SGT's d1g2 spec could only be bested by a euro flavor?
We don't even have a VOA, let alone a UOA for SGT, nor any other actual information at all except for "it's got what trucks crave" and you are spouting off about "performance."
It's a SOPUS synthetic. It probably performs just as well as literally every other name brand's synthetic in the d1g2 grades. Buy it if the bottle and it's marketing makes you feel good.
Originally Posted by kstanf150
In the area of Georgia I live in, European spec oil doesn't
exists on store shelf's here. I found PP Euro L 5w30 once
and tried it.....valve train noise was much louder than usual
Walmart has at least 2 kinds of 0w-40 in german specs. That would be the only oil that can beat Rotella Gas Truck dexos1 in performance level. You'd be fine with either.
Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=0w-40&cat_id=91083&typeahead=0w-40 bargain prices for that kind of oil. They can ship it in to a store within 2 days if they don't already stock it.
What? Only 0w-40 with euro specs could beat gas truck in performance? What does that even mean?
Are you trying to say that the euro specs are better than d1g2? Or are you trying to say that those are the only oils better than gas truck? Or that SGT's d1g2 spec could only be bested by a euro flavor?
We don't even have a VOA, let alone a UOA for SGT, nor any other actual information at all except for "it's got what trucks crave" and you are spouting off about "performance."
It's a SOPUS synthetic. It probably performs just as well as literally every other name brand's synthetic in the d1g2 grades. Buy it if the bottle and it's marketing makes you feel good.
Originally Posted by BLND1
Are you trying to say that the euro specs are better than d1g2?
That is EXACTLY what I am saying. German oil specs are tougher to pass than dexos1.
Usually dexos1 is plenty good enough, and it certainly beats any other U.S. or Asian engine spec.
If towing-hauling, which is the market Rotella Gas Truck is supposed to target, someone looking for more performance, they should consider German spec oils, basically for when the heat, high revs, racing, towing, etc. is the duty cycle.
It very well could be that the upper-tier dexos1 oils (M1 EP, AP, and Castrol gold bottle) might be about as good as the German spec oils. We don't know that since they've never passed all the tough German specs.
That said, here is what we do know: German oil specs are unrivaled. You want great oil for a tough duty cycle, they are available.
Take a look at the tests they put the Germain oils through: https://www.aftonchemical.com/Afton/media/PdfFiles/Specification_Handbook.pdf
... or, if you don't want to read all that, take a look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc for Porsche, and they are similar to Mercedes & BMW demands.
Are you trying to say that the euro specs are better than d1g2?
That is EXACTLY what I am saying. German oil specs are tougher to pass than dexos1.
Usually dexos1 is plenty good enough, and it certainly beats any other U.S. or Asian engine spec.
If towing-hauling, which is the market Rotella Gas Truck is supposed to target, someone looking for more performance, they should consider German spec oils, basically for when the heat, high revs, racing, towing, etc. is the duty cycle.
It very well could be that the upper-tier dexos1 oils (M1 EP, AP, and Castrol gold bottle) might be about as good as the German spec oils. We don't know that since they've never passed all the tough German specs.
That said, here is what we do know: German oil specs are unrivaled. You want great oil for a tough duty cycle, they are available.
Take a look at the tests they put the Germain oils through: https://www.aftonchemical.com/Afton/media/PdfFiles/Specification_Handbook.pdf
... or, if you don't want to read all that, take a look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc for Porsche, and they are similar to Mercedes & BMW demands.
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Until I see hard facts and numbers I'll stay with what I've been using
The rated performance specs an oil meets are really the only hard facts available, sad to say. They are actual engine tests, with careful measurements of wear, deposits, aeration, etc., many things. Go with the toughest performance specs, and you have "hard facts". All else is hearsay or imagination. ... Even UOAs rarely show much we can make conclusions about.
Remember too, that oils with German specs often also have U.S. API SN certification as well as all their additional tests. Having SN means it's fine for U.S. and Asian engines in most cases.
With low-HTHS German oil specs becoming more prevalent in recent years, there is even less reason to avoid them for American and Asian engines.
That said, if your engine duty cycle or engine type is not demanding, go with dexos1 Gen2. Stick with that. I use Eneos high-moly thin stuff in a hybrid, and dexos1 in a GM turbo application that doesn't see severe duty. In the future I might just grab some MB 229.71 or LL-01FE low-HTHS stuff though.
Until I see hard facts and numbers I'll stay with what I've been using
The rated performance specs an oil meets are really the only hard facts available, sad to say. They are actual engine tests, with careful measurements of wear, deposits, aeration, etc., many things. Go with the toughest performance specs, and you have "hard facts". All else is hearsay or imagination. ... Even UOAs rarely show much we can make conclusions about.
Remember too, that oils with German specs often also have U.S. API SN certification as well as all their additional tests. Having SN means it's fine for U.S. and Asian engines in most cases.
With low-HTHS German oil specs becoming more prevalent in recent years, there is even less reason to avoid them for American and Asian engines.
That said, if your engine duty cycle or engine type is not demanding, go with dexos1 Gen2. Stick with that. I use Eneos high-moly thin stuff in a hybrid, and dexos1 in a GM turbo application that doesn't see severe duty. In the future I might just grab some MB 229.71 or LL-01FE low-HTHS stuff though.
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