Shell and Chrysler

[Johnny]

About three weeks ago Shell Oil signed a contract with Chrysler to be factory fill on all Chrysler produced vehicles. They will also start packaging the Mopar Oils sold at the dealerships.

I guess with the economy the way it is, if Chrysler goes under it will be a short lived contract.

 

[Saturn_Fan]

Glad to see that Shell got the contract. YB, PP, Formula Shell, Regane, etc. This company has tons of great products. I know they get a lot of my money.

 

[Johnny]

The oils will be Shell products. Formula Shell for the PCMO and more than likely Rotella T for the diesels. Not sure what it will be on the Dodge Sprinters with the Mercedes engine as they recommend Mobil 1 0W-40. Maybe they will change that to RTS 5W-40 but I kind of doubt that. Mercedes has thick ties with Mobil right now.

 

[Saturn_Fan]

I am glad that on this board and elsewhere that FS is getting some respect. It is a great oil and UOA's here are really proving that.

SOPUS has a pretty fierce product mix right now. I have wondered if they have the coin to go after someone like a Sta-Bil or a SeaFoam?

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Nice deal. I am hoping that Chrysler group can survive somehow. I would be afraid of what would happen to Jeep if it weresold as a brand!

SOPUS has such a great diversity of oils and offerings this is good news.

 

[demarpaint]

Looking at Stock Futures this morning its not looking too good for a lot of compaines. I hope the big 3 US Automakers can pull out of this. The oil companies won't have any problems. Glad Shell got the Chrylser Group contract instead of XOM!

Frank D

 

[addyguy]

Johnny, do you know if this deal extends to Chrysler Canada? AFAIK, Canadian 'Mopar' oil is made by Esso right now...

 

[Johnny]

I have no word on Chrysler Canada or Shell Canada but I will try to find out.

 

[Mustang2008Z]

Chrysler engines are not well engineered, based upon my research on the internet. Lots of complaints about sludge build-up and poor engineering, due to cost cuts. The only good engine is the Cummins Diesel that Chrysler does not make.....

 

[Mustang2008Z]

And Chrysler does not honor the warranties very well either, especially while a part of Daimler-Benz.....I think that episode brought Mercedes quality down, and they used re-refined oil in their new engines before the cars left the assembly line for sale. Mercedes, also, forgot to let their owners know that they must use synthetic oils, not conventional oils in the engines when changing oil....there was a recent settlement done just recently, and Mercedes had to pay lots of money and will have to pay for repairs to the engines when necessary, under warranty...

 

[Mustang2008Z]

In my opinion, Jeep will survive, Chrysler may not, along with Dodge.....Based upon what I have read from the expert automobile analysts...

 

[Oldmoparguy1]

What a load of Burma Shave!! Go play with your pony, kid....

 

[Mustang2008Z]

Here is an extract from the State of California Website about Daimler-Chrysler:

DaimlerChrysler

DaimlerChrysler plants use quality, rerefined oils. These oils meet the same standards for performance and composition as their virgin counterparts. The Transmission Plant in Kokomo, Indiana, the Stamping Plant in Twinsburg, Ohio and the Engine Plant in Kenosha, Wisconsin have all instituted cost-saving programs that use rerefined oils. The program is expected to save the company around $500,000 the first year and $3 million the second year.

I am not against re-refined motor oil as long as it meets specifications of API/ILSAC, and it may conserve oil resources.

However, in one of my prior posts, it would take government subsidies (taxpayer money) to keep it going, like the Europeans subsidize their re-refining oil market...Not sure the American people want their money used that way, but it is another way to save resources. Safety-Klean management has written to me to state that the State of California has spent millions to get people to use re-refined oil with no success. Safety-Klean does not sell it to retailers because most people look for name brands or the least expensive product when they buy oil..Safety-Klean is neither, so they market to governments, local,county,state, and federal agencies...

 

[Mustang2008Z]

Read this article dated in 2004, about Chrysler and it's wonderful 2.7 engine designed by Bob Lutz while he was a manager with Chrysler, before he returned to GM, just in time to watch it go to it's knees too.....Talk about "MISMANAGEMENT."

"Quality from the inside out."............lol

http://www.autosafety.org/chrysler-doesnt-budge-sludge

 

[Mustang2008Z]

Here is what the press is saying about a Fiat/Chrysler merger of sorts:

Edmunds.com Inside Line:

Inside Line says: A Fiat-Chrysler marriage was a bad idea 20 years ago and, from our vantage point, it still looks like a bad idea. — Paul Lienert, Correspondent

 

[Mustang2008Z]

After looking around on the internet, Chrysler may have signed a deal, not confirmed yet, wherein Shell Oil products may be factory fill for the Fiats produced, because of Fiat's contract with Shell Oil. Chrysler may not be using that factory fill in it's own products, just the ones for Fiat. No confirmation, as of this date, yet on that contract between Shell and Chrysler.

 

[Johnny]

I believe what they are talking about are re-refined oils for the manufacturing process like hydraulic stamping machines, cutting oils, etc. I would have a hard time believing Mercedes or Chrysler were putting re-refined oil in the engines, transmissions, and differentials of new vehicles. Shell does have the contract with Chrysler USA for factory fill oils. Previous it was Mobil.

 

[Mustang2008Z]

For those who are of the opinion that re-refined motor has not been used as factory fill please look at this website from America's Choice Motor Oil. A letter from Daimler Benz states that they used re-refined motor oil in their factory fill. Chrysler had no problems either, nor did GM. Only Ford had reservations regarding the consistency of re-refined motor oil. The letters are there on the website and proves California's point that Chrysler may be using it as factory fill as well as Daimler. As long as it meets API Specifications, etc.

http://www.ac-rerefined.com

 

[moribundman]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
I would have a hard time believing Mercedes or Chrysler were putting re-refined oil in the engines

refined oil in M-B cars

 

[Johnny]

Fellows, I have read those old letters many, many times and I'm sorry, but they do not carry much weight with me. The only mention of using any kind of re-refined product was that old letter from MB, and it just says some re-refined content. The Chrysler, GM, and Ford letter say if a re-refined oil can be made that meets current specs, it could be used. They do no say they use re-refined oil in new production vehicles. One of the letters even says something about GF-1 oils, how old is that? We are now on GF-4 and getting ready to go to GF-5 and I personally do not believe you will find a re-refined oil that will meet the GF-5 spec, and I highly doubt you will find any kind of re-refined oil that meets the current MB specs.

Believe what you want to but the fact is, Mobil has the contract with GM, Shell has the contract with Chrysler, and ConocoPhillips has the contract with Ford, and none of them make or sell re-refined oils.