Self defense/hand to hand

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My big issue with all the self-defense stuff you see in these videos is that it almost never goes like that IRL.

Krav Maga = NOTHING when shot at from down the block.

It *may* work good for up close/personal, if you are REALLY strong and have PRACTICED... A LOT. (Really think an attacker will say "You almost got it, but you have to be just a little bit faster, I saw you hesitate and knew what you were trying to do, that's why I moved too.. Here, let's reenact?) ....

But, IRL.. You really think somebody is going to not be shooting as you throw your purse at them, multiple rounds?

It looks good on video but IRL you may get yourself killed.

Just give them what they want.
 
Originally Posted By: Smoky14
Fear the old man, he can't take a beating so he will just kill you.

I'm rarely unarmed.

Smoky
amen to that
 
The problem with carrying a gun is that one day you might be tempted to use it. What happens is it's never a last resort but usually a first reaction. I saw way too much of that in my younger days.[/quote]


Actually when I started carrying(25 yrs ago) it made me much more cautious.I became more aware of my surroundings etc.Use of the weapon was a matter of last resort,not a first reaction.I don't know who you hung around with.All the CCW holders I know are rather cautious,unless of course you were hanging around with illegal carriers,then all bets are off.

But a gun is like a parachute when you REALLY need one there is no substitute.

Also Courier you may be able to find a Tai Chi class.Many larger areas have free or cheap classes that meet in parks or rec dept's.Tai Chi is the stuff you usually see in movies where groups of people are in a park moving slowly doing drills/forms.The slow movements are good for older folks(less strain) but from what I've read are quite effective when speeded up for self defense.

good luck
 
First spend 6 months getting in shape. Then I think your best bet would be to take some kind of basic self-defense class (police, military or old lady style) for a few pointers then join some sort of gym that has MMA stuff so you can get practice against another person.

You can learn all kinds of joint locks and pressure point strikes and all of it will go out the window once someone shoves or hits you. Getting hands on practice is a quick way to learn, and they wont be giving you that kind of practice in a martial arts class for years.

Martial arts instruction is a great way to learn self defense but it takes a long time and will include lots of work on things that I don't think you're interested in, and this is coming from a person with a black belt.

Some important thing to work on for self defense are:

Sprinting ability (No joke, I'd run from a real fight anytime)

Falling techniques (Very important for self defense and for everyday life, falls kill a lot of people, trying to catch yourself from falling usually makes it worse, you've seen people lose balance, stumble, pick up speed then fall hard when they should have just gone straight down)

Flexibility (A pulled muscle or damaged ligament at your age will cause a reduction in mobility, leading to a lower quality of life, reduce your level of independence and reduce your life expectancy)

Grip strength (Watch MMA and see how often it ends up with 2 dudes on the ground trying to grab each others wrists)
 
Originally Posted By: urrlord
I don't know who you hung around with.All the CCW holders I know are rather cautious,unless of course you were hanging around with illegal carriers,then all bets are off.


Yes, I've hung around some pretty rough people, but it's been my experience that the most dangerous individuals owning guns are respectable, middle age, middle class Americans. They live their lives in fear, fully convinced that someone is going to hurt them at some point in time. Several have posted they carry guns most of the time if not all the time. Why? Is your world that dangerous that you must be armed at all times?

Really, the greater question is this, are you really prepared to shoot someone? Have you ever shot anyone and watched them bleed out? George Zimmerman is the classic example of someone having a gun without thinking of the consequences of carrying that weapon. If you're actually going to carry a gun, you better be prepared to use it and deal with the consequences, (like dreaming of that person at night for the rest of your life). No B.S., no excuses. I'm talking the hard, fast reality of pulling a trigger not at a paper target at the shooting range, but into the body of another human being, regardless of how it came to that point.

It has been pointed out by others that it never happens the way it does in the movies. That is so true. It's sudden and quick and desperate. One minute there's the struggle and the next there's someone lying on the floor or the yard or the parking lot - and you never saw it coming and never had time to think about what you were going to do or plan a way of attack or defense. It just happened and now it's done and there's nothing to do but live with it.

I see so many people living in fear and I refuse to live in fear. Regardless of the number of locks you put on your doors and windows, regardless of any secuity system, regardless of how well you arm yourself, it's all an illusion. If someone wants what you have bad enough, they will get it. What are you prepared to do to stop them?
 
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
My big issue with all the self-defense stuff you see in these videos is that it almost never goes like that IRL.

Krav Maga = NOTHING when shot at from down the block.

It *may* work good for up close/personal, if you are REALLY strong and have PRACTICED... A LOT. (Really think an attacker will say "You almost got it, but you have to be just a little bit faster, I saw you hesitate and knew what you were trying to do, that's why I moved too.. Here, let's reenact?) ....

But, IRL.. You really think somebody is going to not be shooting as you throw your purse at them, multiple rounds?

It looks good on video but IRL you may get yourself killed.

Just give them what they want.


And if what they want is to kill you?

You should just give them that?

Sorry, don't buy it...you have the right to defend yourself...and all the avoidance (no bad areas, etc.) in the world doesn't mean that trouble won't come to you...in your nice neighborhood, in your comfortable life...you can chose to hope that it won't, and you can do your best to avoid it.

Or, you can chose to prepare.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
My big issue with all the self-defense stuff you see in these videos is that it almost never goes like that IRL.

Krav Maga = NOTHING when shot at from down the block.

It *may* work good for up close/personal, if you are REALLY strong and have PRACTICED... A LOT. (Really think an attacker will say "You almost got it, but you have to be just a little bit faster, I saw you hesitate and knew what you were trying to do, that's why I moved too.. Here, let's reenact?) ....

But, IRL.. You really think somebody is going to not be shooting as you throw your purse at them, multiple rounds?

It looks good on video but IRL you may get yourself killed.

Just give them what they want.


And if what they want is to kill you?

You should just give them that?

Sorry, don't buy it...you have the right to defend yourself...and all the avoidance (no bad areas, etc.) in the world doesn't mean that trouble won't come to you...in your nice neighborhood, in your comfortable life...you can chose to hope that it won't, and you can do your best to avoid it.

Or, you can chose to prepare.


I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say a little bit, Astro14. My post was talking about how the non-armed, "Krav Maga" self-defense techniques WOULD fail in the absense of being armed.

Someone even made a (not funny) parody video of a Krav maga technique video where the advice is to "give the attacker what they want" (keys, wallet, money) and see if that "appeases" the situation. Then, if that fails and they want your life, to then engage in "attacking the attack." In the non-funny parody, the eacting attacker says "Give me your life."
 
Here is the Krav Maga about "how to defend from a front gun attack" (anything past arm's reach and this would NOT work... You really think people with guns are that stupid? SOME are, but ALL? NO! Most KNOW about this...)



And here is that non-funny parody.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
My big issue with all the self-defense stuff you see in these videos is that it almost never goes like that IRL.

Krav Maga = NOTHING when shot at from down the block.

It *may* work good for up close/personal, if you are REALLY strong and have PRACTICED... A LOT. (Really think an attacker will say "You almost got it, but you have to be just a little bit faster, I saw you hesitate and knew what you were trying to do, that's why I moved too.. Here, let's reenact?) ....

But, IRL.. You really think somebody is going to not be shooting as you throw your purse at them, multiple rounds?

It looks good on video but IRL you may get yourself killed.

Just give them what they want.


And if what they want is to kill you?

You should just give them that?

Sorry, don't buy it...you have the right to defend yourself...and all the avoidance (no bad areas, etc.) in the world doesn't mean that trouble won't come to you...in your nice neighborhood, in your comfortable life...you can chose to hope that it won't, and you can do your best to avoid it.

Or, you can chose to prepare.


But how often does that actually happen? How many criminals are actually roaming the streets simply looking for the opportunity to kill someone? Once again, this is a mentality of fear.
 
Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
My big issue with all the self-defense stuff you see in these videos is that it almost never goes like that IRL.

Krav Maga = NOTHING when shot at from down the block.

It *may* work good for up close/personal, if you are REALLY strong and have PRACTICED... A LOT. (Really think an attacker will say "You almost got it, but you have to be just a little bit faster, I saw you hesitate and knew what you were trying to do, that's why I moved too.. Here, let's reenact?) ....

But, IRL.. You really think somebody is going to not be shooting as you throw your purse at them, multiple rounds?

It looks good on video but IRL you may get yourself killed.

Just give them what they want.


And if what they want is to kill you?

You should just give them that?

Sorry, don't buy it...you have the right to defend yourself...and all the avoidance (no bad areas, etc.) in the world doesn't mean that trouble won't come to you...in your nice neighborhood, in your comfortable life...you can chose to hope that it won't, and you can do your best to avoid it.

Or, you can chose to prepare.


But how often does that actually happen? How many criminals are actually roaming the streets simply looking for the opportunity to kill someone? Once again, this is a mentality of fear.


The chances of it happening randomly are about the same as getting hit by lightening - especially to adult men.
 
Jeet Kune Do is probably the overall best fighting art. I took some of it when I was kid but never stuck with it to get good...which was a mistake considering the instructor that I had.

There aren't any good JKD places around here (that I could find) but I did find a good Tae Kwon Do instructor nearby for both me and my son.
 
my son is a black belt in ty cawan do. now he a is medic in the NG. so i told him that he could kill them save them and kill them again.
 
Originally Posted By: GenSan
Three words: disparity of force.

If you're not Chuck Norris (73 btw) you might be better off with mace, a taser, or the use of lethal force in a self-defense scenario at 67. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/19/flo...will-not-face/. Above all is use your smarts.

Tae Kwon do is another option more than anything to keep you flexible and fit.


This is what TKD is best at. The folks who can actually use it forcefully in combat are few and far between.

If you are older learn some Hapkido pressure point techniques. VERY effective and do not require a lot of strength.

I don't get close to assailants any more. I perforate them!
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: Donald
Originally Posted By: dishdude
I go about my business and live my life, and no one gives me a second look. It's just not something that concerns me.


+1, no bars, no drugs, no being in bad areas at 3:00 AM.


You go swimming every day for 20 years and then one day you bump into a shark. Sometimes trouble comes to you uninvited. But I do the same. I stay out of places where trouble hangs.


Sometimes trouble drifts. Trying to avoid places where trouble hangs is always a smart idea.
 
Way Off Topic

I want to say that I "help older, disabled veterans."

One time i was talking to a friend of mine, Jerry, about walking through bad neighborhoods.

He said to me, "Jimmy. If someone is bigger than you then just do this."

"Ahhhhh!" I yelled.


"Ahhhh!!! Ahhhhhh!!!"

Lying on the floor my screams got consecutively louder. I was screaming in pain.


**************************************************


Well that's one fighting technique that i won't be quick to forget!

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Anyhow, this older "disabled" gentleman is smaller than me. But yet he was able to put me on the ground very quickly.

He did this effortlessly.

Again, I want to say that I "help older, disabled veterans."

But as things progress I am the one who's getting helped.

And after being on the ground begging for mercy, I don't feel as if i can rightly call HIM "disabled!"

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Anyhoo, i helped him with his PC and internet connection. I helped him move to his new apartment.

I helped him with easy stuff.


Anyways, carry on, folks.



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[By the way, i've known this guy for almost a year now. And i am certain that he was NOT doing that merely to impress me.]
 
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Originally Posted By: JamesBond
First spend 6 months getting in shape. Then I think your best bet would be to take some kind of basic self-defense class (police, military or old lady style) for a few pointers then join some sort of gym that has MMA stuff so you can get practice against another person.

You can learn all kinds of joint locks and pressure point strikes and all of it will go out the window once someone shoves or hits you. Getting hands on practice is a quick way to learn, and they wont be giving you that kind of practice in a martial arts class for years.

Martial arts instruction is a great way to learn self defense but it takes a long time and will include lots of work on things that I don't think you're interested in, and this is coming from a person with a black belt.

Some important thing to work on for self defense are:

Sprinting ability (No joke, I'd run from a real fight anytime)

Falling techniques (Very important for self defense and for everyday life, falls kill a lot of people, trying to catch yourself from falling usually makes it worse, you've seen people lose balance, stumble, pick up speed then fall hard when they should have just gone straight down)

Flexibility (A pulled muscle or damaged ligament at your age will cause a reduction in mobility, leading to a lower quality of life, reduce your level of independence and reduce your life expectancy)

Grip strength (Watch MMA and see how often it ends up with 2 dudes on the ground trying to grab each others wrists)
good stuff here,,,food for thought
 
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