Just to clarify, when was the first oil tested? Out of the bottle? Or after it had run in your engine for a while?
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Oops, sorry, I re read and saw that the oil had about 1500 miles on it each time.
Extremely impressive results!
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Extremely impressive results!
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Gotta have one
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I have been using the Eao for some time now. It's nothing short of amazing! No need for a bypass system now, I really didn't know where to put all the plumbing anyway, so I'm really relieved/pleased that this superb filter is nowavailable. This ladies and gentleman is the real deal AND the one to get.
I know, I know, don't drink and drive.
As a famous baseball announcer from these parts used to say in his life.......
HOLY COW!!! And I was considering getting a bypass system for my ride, just need the new full flow filter.
Mobil1 - HA
K&N - HA
Motorcraft - I use this one - HA
E-core - HA
Purolator - HA
Stupid orange can - HA HA HA HA HA
I will be becoming at least a preferred customer after results like that. That is Impressive.
HOLY COW!!! And I was considering getting a bypass system for my ride, just need the new full flow filter.
Mobil1 - HA
K&N - HA
Motorcraft - I use this one - HA
E-core - HA
Purolator - HA
Stupid orange can - HA HA HA HA HA
I will be becoming at least a preferred customer after results like that. That is Impressive.
ewetho,
A test like George did is hard to ignore. The results parallel my own experiences with this superb oil filter, stock up!
A test like George did is hard to ignore. The results parallel my own experiences with this superb oil filter, stock up!
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ewetho,
A test like George did is hard to ignore. The results parallel my own experiences with this superb oil filter, stock up!
This test pretty much confirms what you and I have been saying in regards to oil color.
Glad I don't have any "junk" filters on my shelf to use or toss.
so the Amsoil filter is better than a fram??
Just kidding LOL.
how many are running (or plan on to) the Amsoil filter with other oil?
thinking about MC 5W-20 blend with the Amsoil filter....
5k OCI on the oil and 15k on the filter? 20? 25?
Just kidding LOL.
how many are running (or plan on to) the Amsoil filter with other oil?
thinking about MC 5W-20 blend with the Amsoil filter....
5k OCI on the oil and 15k on the filter? 20? 25?
With these results, when my current stock of Wix are used up (and they've been giving me fantastic results by UOA), I'll move to the AmSoil filter. My transmissions run that same filter, so, I'll be buying 4 at a time!
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so the Amsoil filter is better than a fram??
Just kidding LOL.
how many are running (or plan on to) the Amsoil filter with other oil?
thinking about MC 5W-20 blend with the Amsoil filter....
5k OCI on the oil and 15k on the filter? 20? 25? [/quote
With results like that, probably make Dino look like SuperMan!!! WOW!
The combination of AMSOIL and AMSOIL will be tough to beat I am sure.
Did I say WOW?
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The war is over for now
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George thanks for sharing the data, it is much appreciated. Can you tell use the technique used for the counting ? Do you have a clean count of the M1R 0w30 so we can see the additive package silt readings ? Not using this media technology in our own cars is silly if there is an application made for yours! The ability to use it for longer durations ( I pull mine and drain the trapped oil out before reinstallation), allowing a very convincing cost vs. benefit equation ( Bill
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Heres a reference for those who are new to particle counting from a post SW HEAT made a while back.
"This is not an accurate ISO 4406:99 (or ISO 4406:MTD, new standard) particle count IMHO. It "may" be accepted and OK for an ISO 4406:86 (or ISO 4406:ACFTD old standard). Blackstone uses the "pore blockage" method of testing. It is unclear if it is a 10 micron or 15 micron screen. The rest is mathmatical extrapolation for a "normal" particle distribution. A bypass filter should produce anything but a "normal particle distribution" IMHO.
See this thread re: the particle count discussion Gary mentioned.
Oildrop discussion thread re: particle counts.
Here is an article from "Practicing Oil Analysis" Magazine Nov. 2005. Particle Count article with descriptions of each method.
It explains very well the different kinds of particle counting available. I have found a lab that will do particle counting with the ISO 11171 method and will be using them in the future for particle counts to get an authentic ISO 4406:99 cleanliness code count of 4,6, 14 microns. I will leave the "pore blockage" and "mathmatical" conjecture to others.
On a side note, the particle count cost that I will be getting is less than what Blackstone charges. It pays to be informed and to shop around.
Other articles of interest:
"The importance of ISO Cleanliness Codes" in Machinery Lubrication Magazine
"Lubricant Cleanliness" article of NTS, Inc."
Heres a reference for those who are new to particle counting from a post SW HEAT made a while back.
"This is not an accurate ISO 4406:99 (or ISO 4406:MTD, new standard) particle count IMHO. It "may" be accepted and OK for an ISO 4406:86 (or ISO 4406:ACFTD old standard). Blackstone uses the "pore blockage" method of testing. It is unclear if it is a 10 micron or 15 micron screen. The rest is mathmatical extrapolation for a "normal" particle distribution. A bypass filter should produce anything but a "normal particle distribution" IMHO.
See this thread re: the particle count discussion Gary mentioned.
Oildrop discussion thread re: particle counts.
Here is an article from "Practicing Oil Analysis" Magazine Nov. 2005. Particle Count article with descriptions of each method.
It explains very well the different kinds of particle counting available. I have found a lab that will do particle counting with the ISO 11171 method and will be using them in the future for particle counts to get an authentic ISO 4406:99 cleanliness code count of 4,6, 14 microns. I will leave the "pore blockage" and "mathmatical" conjecture to others.
On a side note, the particle count cost that I will be getting is less than what Blackstone charges. It pays to be informed and to shop around.
Other articles of interest:
"The importance of ISO Cleanliness Codes" in Machinery Lubrication Magazine
"Lubricant Cleanliness" article of NTS, Inc."
Regarding a PC of the Mobil 1R 0W-30, no, I just know what a representative count is for most bottled products and of course it is nowhere close to what my used engine oil PC was!
Since all additives are essentially solublized, I would not expect the virgin pc to represent anything other than contaminants, frankly... We have discussed at length about the VI improvers being the only additive approaching the 6 micron level. So, all in all, I am just blown away with the EaO performance, doing exactly what it needs to do very, very well, in my opinion.. To have used engine oil with an ISO cleanliness of that level thorugh the use of a very, very small spin-on oil filter, pretty incredible. I was NOT expecting that level of performance... I had seen Amsoils graphs, etc. but there is nothing quite like real world testing, especially when it comes to filtration. A lab test of constant flow, perfect conditions is far removed from our vibrating, pulsing, real world engines.. Again, to achieve robotic level ISO cleanliness in an engine with 160,000 miles on it... Wow.......
George Morrison, STLE CLS
Since all additives are essentially solublized, I would not expect the virgin pc to represent anything other than contaminants, frankly... We have discussed at length about the VI improvers being the only additive approaching the 6 micron level. So, all in all, I am just blown away with the EaO performance, doing exactly what it needs to do very, very well, in my opinion.. To have used engine oil with an ISO cleanliness of that level thorugh the use of a very, very small spin-on oil filter, pretty incredible. I was NOT expecting that level of performance... I had seen Amsoils graphs, etc. but there is nothing quite like real world testing, especially when it comes to filtration. A lab test of constant flow, perfect conditions is far removed from our vibrating, pulsing, real world engines.. Again, to achieve robotic level ISO cleanliness in an engine with 160,000 miles on it... Wow.......
George Morrison, STLE CLS
I'm running an Amsoil bypass on the CTD, so upgrading the fullflow to a better filter probably wouldn't even be noticed. It'll probably continue getting Fleetguards...
I do, however, plan on swapping both cars over to this filter for the next OC. I already run 5k OCIs on the outback...the wife doesn't even get 3k on the mustang in a year though...
steved
I'm using one with Honda HG 5W-20 dino. I plan to use it for at least a 2X OCI with UOA (maybe up to 3X OCI) at a 4000 mile interval. I know Amsoil doesn't recommend doing this, but it seems plausible with the filter.
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I'm using it with PP right now on my wife's jeep using the EaO57. I've a decent stash of filters (all kinds) to use that it may take a while to transition the whole extended fleet to EaO. Some probably won't ..and I hope that they last long enough to exhaust the current filter shrine of exhibits.
I am right now. Red Line 5w30 (5qts.) & 10W-40 (1 qt.). I just hope that all of that moly/zinc/phos./etc. doesn't clog up my beautiful EaO.
After seeing these results; does anyone want to buy 3 K&N Golds, so I can buy 2 more EaOs??
George, there is no doubt in my mind this filtration is practically as good as most bypass filters in actual use. My concern is getting as good a data point here as possible thus the question about the PC method to ensure we aren't estimating levels instead of actual counts.
Once again thanks for your expensive contributions on this subject to BITOG.
Once again thanks for your expensive contributions on this subject to BITOG.
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Thank you George for the time and effort to test and post these incredible results!! The fact that the filter actually reduced existing PC in addition to newly-generated particles speaks volumes.
Do you still have the Eao filter installed? I was wondering if you were planning on testing any other filters with the same oil, and see if the PC changes? If so, I would like to request the K&N Gold as a candidate. I'll make a $20 donation in your name to BITOG, and if you want me to foot the UOA bill, I'll do that, too.
Before I found BITOG, I only had advertised filtration specs to go on. The WIX showed a 19 micron rating, the K&N description shown in the Summit online catalog is 10 microns. These performance catalog stores offer free shipping, but charge a flat $10.95 handling charge, so if you buy more, the handling charge per unit goes down. I bought 6 HP-1004 K&N's for my Honda, and now I'm wondering if I should sell them, and go with Amsoil's Eao, or if they are worth keeping until I use them all.
Question for harry j:
Do you do your own oil changes? Have you noticed if there is any oil in the filter when you take it off? I let mine sit for about 45 min. and the filter was dry. I was using a Honda (made by Filtech) filter, and wondered if the ADBV is faulty, or if this is just inherent in the Honda design? This is why I went to K&N in the first place...
Thanks again George, let me know if you want to try another test.......
Bob
garageman402,
I take my Civic to the Honda dealers for the oil change. I am able to thouroughly go over the undercarriage at that time, looking for anything amiss. When the filter is removed, it is as full of oil as is possible. The Eao filter holds oil very well, don't use the Honda filter, piece of junk.
Harry
I take my Civic to the Honda dealers for the oil change. I am able to thouroughly go over the undercarriage at that time, looking for anything amiss. When the filter is removed, it is as full of oil as is possible. The Eao filter holds oil very well, don't use the Honda filter, piece of junk.
Harry
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