Seafoam - have you used it, did it do anything

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I was driving my FIL's '94 Chevy Blazer a few years ago. It had a gummed up fuel injection "spider" that caused a CEL and made the Blazer run terribly. I ran 3/4 can of seafoam into the intake through the brake booster vacuum line. The problem went away and did not re-surface for me. The Blazer was sold by my FIL a couple of months after the Seafoam treatment, so I don't know if the problem ever came back.
 
I have used it with stellar results. Xterra felt peppier and more responsive afterwards. MPG's did not improve, but they didn't get any worse either. Seafoam once a year, MMO once in awhile through the fuel and oil.

Did the Seafoam in the wife's Grand Am without her knowledge and she mentioned her car felt peppier for some reason.
 
Bill, when I removed the original PCV it was almost completely gummed up with thick black deposits. I did a quick visual inspection on the rest of the PCV system and everything else looked okay.

I have all of the original owners service records, and after several hours discussion with her (she was very chatty, and rather than try and negotiate her already low asking price, I offered her exactly what she was asking; this later worked in my favour as she offered to cost share anything the inspection turned up, and she reduced her price to compensate a 50-50 split on the work the car required), I developed a theory to account for the sludge and gummed PCV valve:

Severe driving schedule patterns that included mostly short trips in stop & go traffic; very little highway driving; excessive use of the remote start to warm the interior of the car in winter (meaning it probably idled as long as 30 minutes in the coldest months); severe climate; hilly terrain where the engine is stressed more and, in the winter months, this stress is increased as the tires fight for traction on poorly maintained roads.

Under those conditions, using regular dino, I would have changed it religiously every 4,500 km (3,000 miles). Instead she followed Toyota`s standard schedule and changed it out between 4,500 and 7,500 km per year (every April and October). At 50,000 km she missed an oil change and the interval was just over 11,000 km.

I think excessive blow-by worked its way into the PCV system where, after 10 years of this driving style, it progressively lead to more and more deposits accumulating on the PCV valve until I finally removed it, on advice of yours and that was backed by others (you were the first to suggest it). What I removed wasn`t even worth cleaning. I installed a new PCV valve and bagged and kept the old one for when I get an opportunity to take and post some pics of it.

5,000 miles is 8,000 km. That`s close enough to 10,000 km (which I proposed only as an outer limit) to be a satisfactory compromise for me.

I know there will some who will say its a waste of good syn, but I agree with you. I prefer to pay what might be an extra $30 for 4L of oil and an extra filter to get that extra inbetween OCI and know that I`m erring on the side of caution. $30 is cheap piece of mind to me.

-Spyder
 
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Bill, when I removed the original PCV it was almost completely gummed up with thick black deposits. I did a quick visual inspection on the rest of the PCV system and everything else looked okay.


Severe driving schedule patterns that included mostly short trips in stop & go traffic; very little highway driving; excessive use of the remote start to warm the interior of the car in winter (meaning it probably idled as long as 30 minutes in the coldest months); severe climate; hilly terrain where the engine is stressed more and, in the winter months, this stress is increased as the tires fight for traction on poorly maintained roads.

Under those conditions, using regular dino, I would have changed it religiously every 4,500 km (3,000 miles). Instead she followed Toyota`s standard schedule and changed it out between 4,500 and 7,500 km per year (every April and October). At 50,000 km she missed an oil change and the interval was just over 11,000 km.

I think excessive blow-by worked its way into the PCV system where, after 10 years of this driving style, it progressively lead to more and more deposits accumulating on the PCV valve until I finally removed it, on advice of yours and that was backed by others (you were the first to suggest it). What I removed wasn`t even worth cleaning. I installed a new PCV valve and bagged and kept the old one for when I get an opportunity to take and post some pics of it.

5,000 miles is 8,000 km. That`s close enough to 10,000 km (which I proposed only as an outer limit) to be a satisfactory compromise for me.

I know there will some who will say its a waste of good syn, but I agree with you. I prefer to pay what might be an extra $30 for 4L of oil and an extra filter to get that extra inbetween OCI and know that I`m erring on the side of caution. $30 is cheap piece of mind to me.

-Spyder


I've highlighted in red a few of your statements.

You have a "almost completely gummed up with thick black deposits" PVC valve yet with a "quick visual inspection" you have everything looking okay.

It's my opinion you do NOT. If the PVC is gummed up (which is the MAJOR reason for ALL of your issues) then you have more problems then JUST a PVC valve.

It does not matter if she ran big bad ugly poor performing deposit laden sludge making conventional oil or Super magic syn if the PVC system is compromised. The engineers put the PVC system in the engine for a reason and it needs to work 100% all the time.

Spend some time reading this site and you'll find out that remote starts are not very healthy for your engine. Use those plus have a compromised PVC system and again (I'm trying to get all the marketing koolaid out of your system) no matter what oil you'll have issues.

What you NEED to DO..(again I repeat) is do FREQUENT OIL CHANGES. Like closer to 3000 miles with any oil and any filter. Magic MMO and PP is not your friend and could HARM the engine with "safe" OCIs like 8000-10000km. If you want to use the MMO that Stevie is scoring for you (Thanks Stevie
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) good to go. BUT DO NOT go longer than 3000 miles until we know FOR SURE that all is well. And the only way to know for sure is take the valve cover off and look inside for "stuff".

I'm spending the time TRYING to educate you on how to SAFELY make sure that your engine lasts as long as possible. Others in your original thread only spoke about oil and how magic and super this brand and that type is. They did you NO favors without first taking care of the problem.

You automatically go for a major part of the reason for the deposits and sludge is because conventional oil is being used. I've seen over the years here and in REAL life many an engine sludged not due to the oil being used but because of issues like poor design, poor maintenance and parts/systems going bad like your PVC system.

So, ignore my advise if you'd like but its sound. And SAFE. Unless you like to deal more with the engine I'd suggest that you please think about what I've commented on. I may be an old [censored] but I've walked the walk with many an engine with hundreds of thousands of miles on many of them and no issues.

Todays oils (no matter what type or brand) are excellent. If I can take many a motor to 250,000 - almost 400,000 miles on yesterdays conventional oils, doing that today with current oils (syn or conventional) with ease.

Also remember once you have spent the $$ its real hard to get it back. $8 here and $10 there add up when you look back through out the decades. Trust me, I know.
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Take care, Bill


PS: I just went a little over my normal OCI in the Corolla last week. 11,100 miles and I'm not worried a bit. I'll make 400,000 miles with this vehicle.
 
Good advise Bill. IMO extended drains and engine cleaning don't go together. If the OP plans on using MMO I would not exceed 3000 mile OCI in that engine! Think about extending the OCI once the engine is clean. Even then I would suggest using MMO for the last 1000 miles of the OCI after things are cleaned up. That will keep it clean, even if done only once a year. JMO
 
Bill I was not attributing the blame to the use of dino (other than the PP I bought on sale, I have likewise been a lifetime user of dino). I was stating that she should have been changing it more frequently than she was (due to the severe service schedule I outlined).

To be more precise, it should have been changed every 3,000 miles, or 4,500 km. When I bought the car I had it less than a month when I changed the oil - because I had her service records and 4,400 km had elapsed (half of them by her, half by me) since it was last changed. Dino came out, and I had dino put right back in. That was before I even knew of the PCV problem or the sludge problem.

The initial check of the rest of the PCV system was quick because I was trying to get the valve changed, and I didn`t have a lot of time to work with between when I was notified that the part was in and when I had to get cleaned up for my 12 hour night shift. While it may have been quick, I was satisfied - at least for now - that the deposits accumulated only on the valve. So for now that`s dealt with.

If you really think changing the oil and filter out every 3,000 miles will help, I have no aversion to doing so. The 10k OCI is the destination, but cleaning the engine out (safely and gently) is the priority.

Because I believe she should have adhered to strict 3,000 mile OCIs, and attribute the failure to do so under the conditions mentioned, the last thing I want to do is perpetuate the cycle.

So I`ll do the first PP & MMO OCI at 3,000 miles, open the filter up to examine, and send a UOA off for analysis. Then go from there.

I`ll have a thread started with lots of good `before` pics shots taken of the cut open filter, oil cap, and crankcase (through the fill hole) when the time comes to put the PP & MMO in. That`s the minimum I`ll commit to.

BTW, the remote start usage was hers - not mine. I have it, as it came with the car, but I don`t even have it on my keyring, let alone use it.

-Spyder
 
The first hand experiences with Seafoam have been informative. Its drawn a lot of controversy in another thread, enough to put me off trying it just yet.

I`ve decided that PP + MMO, combined with 3,000 mile OCIs until the engine`s cleaned (which might take 10 or 15,000 km - which I`m fine with), is the way for me to go. I`ll send samples off at each of the 3,000 mile OCIs as another check for any problems that I may have over-looked, and for trending purposes.

In the meantime I`ll continue to run the dino that`s in it now (it still fresh with only 1,200 km on it), and I anticipate making the switch to PP & MMO sometime in October (based on anticipated mileage).

Hopefully this winter is kinder than our last winter, since I will be doing the oil changes myself (outside in the driveway) and I`m really not looking forward to crawling under the car in January to do that first 3,000 mile PP & MMO change (but I`ll suck it up and do it since it`ll be my last mid-winter oil change).

-Spyder
 
Sounds like a solid plan to me. The first UOA isn't going to tell much as to how well the oil is doing, that is best to do after the second run of the same oil.

What the first UOA will tell you is if you have a fuel dilution problem, or a coolant leak. Which in your case is important, because both will cause sludge and can damage an engine.
 
I have done so much research on the Seafoam application but never have yet done it myself. My lawnmower does not have a vacuum line that I can use. I have tried spraying Seafoam Deep Creep in the carburetor without any appreciable gains. I need more courage and encouragement before doing brake booster seafoam application to any of my car.

- Vikas
 
i can only see this working if you had put it in your gas tank not oil. so i think you just got lucky
 
I have used seafoam in my two stroke engines for years. 2 oz. per gallon of oil gas mixture. Instead of 6 to 8 pulls to start it is 2 sometimes 3 pulls.
 
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