Schaeffer's Supreme 7000

[Mystic]

Here are the results of the UOA on Schaeffer's Supreme 7000. I put only 2637 miles on this oil, but they were hard miles. I changed the oil before going on vacation to Arizona. I drove 12 hours to get to Flagstaff, and while there I went to several places such as the Grand Canyon, Meteor Crater, Sedona, ancient ruins, a volcanic site, etc. The car was driven in mountainous areas, in areas of great heat, in dusty areas, and then when I went home I drove another 12 hours. While driving across the huge Navaho Nation Indian Reservation, I had to drive through a dust storm.

After I got home I drove only a few more weeks with the oil because I had managed to get some German Castrol that I wanted to try and I wanted to see how my first UOA would look. Also, I figured that I had driven the car in some pretty harse conditions and it might be a good idea to change the oil early since I was only a few humdred miles from 3000 miles anyway.

The lab was Blackstone. Insolubles were at 0.2%, which the lab said were very low. Silicon was 7 ppm, which the lab said showed no problems with the air filtration. There was no moisture, fuel or coolant in the oil. The TBN was 3.7, which the lab said that there was active additive still in the oil. The lab said that the engine was wearing better than average. The lab said that universal averages showed typical wear of about 3300 miles from a Saturn 1.9L DOHC engine; the oil was in use for 2637 miles and the lab said that the engine was wearing better than average. I don't understand exactly what that means.

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Aluminum 3

Chromium 0

Iron 3

Copper 4

Lead 1

Tin 0

Molybdenum 92

Nickel 0

Manganese 1

Silver 0

Titanium 0

Potassium 1

Boron 14

Silicon 7

Sodium 2

Calcium 1872

Magnesium 5

Phosphorus 761

Zince 862

Barium 0

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I still don't know exactly how to transfer the email information to this post.

When I put the Schaeffer's Oil in the car I added a very small amount of Schaeffer's #132, and I put 6 oz. of Lube Control in the oil. After I returned from my vacation trip I put 3 oz. of Lube Control in the oil.

Here are the universal averages:

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Aluminum 3

Chromium 0

Iron 8

Copper 4

Lead 1

Tin 0

Molybdenum 73

Nickel 0

Manganese 0

Silver 0

Titanium 0

Potassium 0

Boron 33

Silicon 8

Sodium 3

Calcium 1500

Magnesium 283

Phosphorus 797

Zinc 966

Barium 0

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[ August 07, 2003, 06:40 AM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]

 

[Patman]

A very nice report indeed!! Was it the 5w30 or 10w30? What did Blackstone report for the final viscosity?

 

[shortyb]

That looks very good. Did Blackstone send the results in a PDF? If so, it should be easy to attach. Doesn't matter too much, you supplied most of the info.

I too am curious about the viscosity and what its final grade from the UOA shows though. That desert heat can give the oil a beating. Looks like from the numbers that your wear is less than average or in other words, wear protection is better than average. Maybe thats what the report comment was about.

One question, how much moly or other EP/AW additives does the #132 add? Or is the Schaeffer's 7000 very robust with moly to begin with? I guess thats 2 questions

This may end up being the oil I switch to.

[ August 07, 2003, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: shortyb ]

 

[Al]

I'd like to see the viscosities. Note how low the iron is. Seems iron is more indicative of weather than wear.

 

[Spector]

Woa. IF my read is correct you added the "brew" to this oil. That is the #132 and LC. LC is supposed to reduce insolubles, decrease oxidation and extend oil life. We will never know if this great report is due to Schaeffers oil, the brew or both. #132 with this oil is probably not necessary but the 8-9 ounces of LC may have had a very large effect on the outcome. A great report but is it great for the oil or the additives??????? There is analysis on virgin #132 under the virgin section, Moly, zinc?

[ August 07, 2003, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Spector ]

 

[Mystic]

It was Schaeffer's 5w30 Supreme 7000. The report was in the form of an email. The lab included information that the SUS Viscosity at 210 degrees F should have been 56-63 and the viscosity was 57.9. The Flaspoint in F should have been greater than 365 degrees and it was 405 degrees. There was no other information about viscosity. Fuel should be less than 1.0 and fuel was less than 0.5. Antifreeze was zero. Water was zero. Insoluables should be less than .6 and they were .2.

I am sorry that I did not measure the amount of Schaeffer's #132 that I put in the oil. It was a very small amount-probably 1-2 oz. I put in 6 oz. of Lube Control when I changed the oil. But until I returned from vacation I could not put any more in (you are supposed to put in 1 oz. every 1000 miles). So I put in 3 oz. after I returned.

I need some help from you guys. Because of this UOA report I am probably going to continue using Schaeffer's Oil. But I like to change my oil every 3000-4000 miles. The lab indicated that I could go 4000 miles. Should I continue to use Schaeffer's Supreme 7000 or maybe use MicronMoly?

 

[YZF150]

Mystic, why don't you just use Mobil1 if you feel strongly about using something other than straight dino? You've already complained about having to pay for shipping of the Shaeffers. This report, despite the good numbers, doesn't really help you much because you doctored the oil with the additive. As a result, this report is suspect, and you still don't really know how well that oil will work for you. You also have problems getting the Castrol that you're using now.

Your Castrol oil is turning dark because it is cleaning out the crud left deposited by your previous oils. The wear metal values of this report do not entail that there is no sludge and crud inside that engine. If you intend to continue to change out your oil at 3000 miles, then synthetic oils and high-priced mail-order oils are just not sensible for you economically, unless, of course, price is no object.

I recommend that you start with a clean slate, and don't tweak more than one variable at a time. When you can't bear the Castrol any longer, drain it out, change the filter and try a dino oil. There are a number that get good reviews here. Drain it at 3000 and test it. I'll bet that you don't see a statistically significant improvement over what you've reported here. It's becoming pretty clear that at 3000 miles, many, if not most, oils are created equal.

Regards.

[ August 07, 2003, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: YZF150 ]

 

[Mystic]

YZF150, what kind of oil do you use?

The oils that have impressed me are Chevron Supreme, Mobil 1 (10W-30), Schaeffer's, and Pennzoil, Castro, Exxon SuperFlo, and Mobil DriveClean have looked good in UOAs. I have never tried Redline.

The lab indicated that I could probably go 4000 miles with the Schaeffer's Oil.

 

[buster]

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Schaefer's is a very well engineered motor oil

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I agree. I never even heard of Schaeffer's before discovering this website. Now all I can say is WOW! Best bang for the buck. No hype of fancy marketing, just a solid quality product that has proven to be great.

Geez, I sound like a salesman.

[ August 07, 2003, 08:52 PM: Message edited by: buster ]

 

[MolaKule]

Mystic,

With that amount of #132, I doubt the #132 added anything to the great report.

I would like to have seen the oxidation and nitration numbers, to see what affect the LC had on the outcome.

 

[Pablo]

Schaefer's is a very well engineered motor oil - in fact I'll go out on limb and say it is one of the best thought out oils on the market.

I'm not sure why you needed the additives, but the report is good!

That written - A less than 3000 mile report is useful. It can tell you if you have an engine problem or some type of additive clash. I don't think you can extropolate much else at 2600 miles. I think the low metals would have continued, but a UOA at 6K, 7.5K would be more meaningful in oil to oil judgements. For example when someone reports Amsoil (or Redline) with less than 5-7.5K miles, folks say "Yawn", "big deal" etc - unless there are really bad numbers....in fact see the LT1 on Redline just posted.

Not trying to burst your bubble at all - go back to Schaefer's and give us 7K+, you'll be even more pleased!

 

[Bror Jace]

Mystic: "I like to change my oil every 3000-4000 miles. The lab indicated that I could go 4000 miles. Should I continue to use Schaeffer's Supreme 7000 or maybe use MicronMoly"

The Micron Moly is a purely "conventional" oil without the synthetic PAO component ... but it is only $0.25 per quart cheaper.

I've taken Schaeffer S7000 10W30 to 4,500 miles and results looked very good.

--- Bror Jace