Schaeffer's 15W-40, 7.3L Powerstroke

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Originally Posted By: FiremarshalRob
Originally Posted By: salesrep
Oh Johnny if you are correct the Truck folks will be in Hog heaven.Ford Frame...Cummins engine...now all Ford needs is an Allison.


U bet! I've read some articles and have actually seen pics of a 5.9L Cummins in place of the 6.0L. It looked pretty cool.

I've got the 5speed (actually 6) Torqshift transmission and from what I can tell its a very bulletproof transmission.

Drop an older model 5.9L Cummins or even an old 12 valve in mine and you've got a winning combination. Not sure about the Allison transmission. I've read mixed reviews.


I wish you could get a Cummins in the F-250 thru F-550 Fords.
Too bad you can't have a choice of engines like they do in the bigger trucks.
Yes, the torqshift has proven to be an excellent transmission.

Ford and Navistar (International) are parting ways. Last engine to be supplied to Ford will be at the end of the year.

The 6.0l is a good motor, the emission controls have been a black-eye for the motor that's for sure. It wasn't tested enough with dirtier fuel, to find alot of the problems. It is a domino effect, if one system has problems it takes other componets.
 
Originally Posted By: 1OilLover

Ford and Navistar (International) are parting ways. Last engine to be supplied to Ford will be at the end of the year.



Who will supply their diesel engines after Navistar? I would assume they already have someone lined up to supply them.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
I think I would trade that 06 in on a new 09 that has the 6.4L. They seem to have solved the 6.0L problems. To this day I do not understand why Ford got rid of the 7.3L. When Chrysler's credit runs out, Ford should start buying engines from Cummins.


That is brilliant! Ford the last one standing.......who knows may happen? Sad they could not get the engine right.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Originally Posted By: 1OilLover

Ford and Navistar (International) are parting ways. Last engine to be supplied to Ford will be at the end of the year.



Who will supply their diesel engines after Navistar? I would assume they already have someone lined up to supply them.


Rumors for the last two years are that they are working on their own in house 6.7L engine. Also a 4.4L diesel for the F150 market.
 
Originally Posted By: jmac
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Originally Posted By: 1OilLover

Ford and Navistar (International) are parting ways. Last engine to be supplied to Ford will be at the end of the year.



Who will supply their diesel engines after Navistar? I would assume they already have someone lined up to supply them.


Rumors for the last two years are that they are working on their own in house 6.7L engine. Also a 4.4L diesel for the F150 market.


I've read the same. It will be called the "scorpion" from what I can tell. Ford designed and tested. Supposedly 4 years of r&d going into this motor.

The 4.4L diesel in an F150 JUST MIGHT be the ticket for me!!!

P.S. Sorry for the thread hijack!
 
I would wait a couple of years before buying one as to let other buyers do the real life testing and to get the bugs out of the design. ECO diesels are a nightmare.
 
Its not the Cummins diesel that's the problem, its just that the rest of the truck, the transmission, and the electricals that most feel fall apart too soon.

The 5.9L cummins is a tried and true motor. It has stayed basically the same since its introduction.
 
Up here in Fort St John, BC everyone drives a truck and oilfield companies and businesses buy new trucks every year. To be honest there a real good mix of Ford Dodge and Chev. Cummins always is the real reason to buy Dodge except that they try to keep the Manual crowd happy, own one myself 2005 3500 Dodge cummins with 6spd. The most reliable motor IMHO. Chev is very popular for all types of jobs but the front end keeps it from really owning the heavy duty segment (welding trucks, crew trucks, anything thats always fully loaded to GVW) but most guys love the DMax and most agree it gets good fuel mileage. Ford is the dominator of the heavy duty market (like Cab and chassis) because until recently they were the only guys offering the bigger trucks (1 1/2 ton and up) but the Powerstroke has REALLY been hard hit in terms of realibity and quality, but the rest of the truck is trusted so they are incredibly popular. Its hard to really say one is better cause they all fill a niche. Next couple years are gonna be real interesting to see what the market does, we all love our trucks but sometimes I wounder if this too shall fade.
 
re: "the pinnicle of quality of the engines that Ford has installed in their pickups" (so far)...

Everyone KNOWS that the 460 with a Holly is the pinnacle of Ford truck engine quality!

Cheers!
 
Originally Posted By: Steve S
What amazes me is all the people buying the 6.0 and 6.4 Superdutys .Are the cummins that bad?


You obviously have little experience in the diesel pickup truck area when you ask questions like this...
 
I average about 10mpg on regular, and that's with a 3,200 lb. 1972 Chinook Camper in the bed.

When gas was $0.99 a gallon a trip to the Coast cost about 22% what it did when gas was $4.35!!!!!!!!!

Of course my insurance costs are negligible, no $345/month loan payment, and I have a grand total of just over $6,500 in the truck, utility trailer, camper, maintenance, repairs, etc. in 99 months of blissful ownership...

Cheers!
 
Originally Posted By: TheForeman
Up here in Fort St John, BC everyone drives a truck and oilfield companies and businesses buy new trucks every year. To be honest there a real good mix of Ford Dodge and Chev. Cummins always is the real reason to buy Dodge except that they try to keep the Manual crowd happy, own one myself 2005 3500 Dodge cummins with 6spd. The most reliable motor IMHO. Chev is very popular for all types of jobs but the front end keeps it from really owning the heavy duty segment (welding trucks, crew trucks, anything thats always fully loaded to GVW) but most guys love the DMax and most agree it gets good fuel mileage. Ford is the dominator of the heavy duty market (like Cab and chassis) because until recently they were the only guys offering the bigger trucks (1 1/2 ton and up) but the Powerstroke has REALLY been hard hit in terms of realibity and quality, but the rest of the truck is trusted so they are incredibly popular. Its hard to really say one is better cause they all fill a niche. Next couple years are gonna be real interesting to see what the market does, we all love our trucks but sometimes I wounder if this too shall fade.



I dislike contributing to the off topic replies, but these are good points
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, when GM's credit runs out, Ford can buy the Allison Division from them. See, things are looking up, at least for the truck world.


I'm not sure why Ford would want the Allison (for 250/350s at least), since the 5R110 seems able to hold just as much power and seems performs just as well. The TorqueShift actually seemed quite a bit better than the 5-speed Allisons when towing.

The 6-speed TorqueShift is right around the corner, showing up with the new 6.7 Scorpion.
 
Originally Posted By: trik396
Originally Posted By: Steve S
What amazes me is all the people buying the 6.0 and 6.4 Superdutys .Are the cummins that bad?


You obviously have little experience in the diesel pickup truck area when you ask questions like this...
Enlighten me on the subject.
 
The 6.0 Diesels were problematic until '05...after that International got all of the bugs taken care of. There is a list of revisions floating around that shows what was revised over the years. The '06/'07 ones are solid as a rock and every bit as good if not better than Cummins and the Duramax which is an Isuzu diesel, that's why you see so many of them. If you own a 6.0 make sure to use the PM-23 Ford additive which is titled 'Cetane booster/Performance Improver' (they also make a 'Cetane booster/Anti-Gel' for cold climates)...don't use Diesel Kleen or any other off the shelf stuff, use the Ford additive at each fill-up, it keeps cetane levels up and adds lubricicity to the fuel...helps with injectors and the ULSD we now have to use. I have a handful of friends with '06/07 6.0s and not one of them have had a single mechanical issue and their mileage varies from 60K to 150+K...but they all use the Ford additive and clean their EGR every 20k miles (all EGRs need to be cleaned at some point...the 6.4s have multiple EGRs). And if you got a good flash from the factory you get great mileage, most of us are getting 19-20.5 MPG on the freeway unloaded with no mods. I averaged 20.5 MPG on a family trip one time in my stock Crew Cab 4x4. The Ford Cetane booster/Performance Improver is the key given the injectors and ULSD we now have to use.

The Torq-Shift is an incredible transmission, Ford got it right with the Torq-Shift...the Tow/Haul mode actually works 'properly' by sensing multiple factors and adjusting accordingly, it doesn't just hold the RPMs like most Tow/Haul modes do...it actually will sense braking/going down hills and down-shift for you, etc...it's always working for you, I'm not easily impressed and it impressed me as I do a lot of cross-country towing through mountain passes, etc. The transmission is bullet-proof as well. Allison is a good transmission, but technology has progressed as it always does and the Torq-Shift shows it.
 
Originally Posted By: Wizz
The 6.0 Diesels were problematic until '05...after that International got all of the bugs taken care of. There is a list of revisions floating around that shows what was revised over the years. The '06/'07 ones are solid as a rock and every bit as good if not better than Cummins and the Duramax which is an Isuzu diesel, that's why you see so many of them. If you own a 6.0 make sure to use the PM-23 Ford additive which is titled 'Cetane booster/Performance Improver' (they also make a 'Cetane booster/Anti-Gel' for cold climates)...don't use Diesel Kleen or any other off the shelf stuff, use the Ford additive at each fill-up, it keeps cetane levels up and adds lubricicity to the fuel...helps with injectors and the ULSD we now have to use. I have a handful of friends with '06/07 6.0s and not one of them have had a single mechanical issue and their mileage varies from 60K to 150+K...but they all use the Ford additive and clean their EGR every 20k miles (all EGRs need to be cleaned at some point...the 6.4s have multiple EGRs). And if you got a good flash from the factory you get great mileage, most of us are getting 19-20.5 MPG on the freeway unloaded with no mods. I averaged 20.5 MPG on a family trip one time in my stock Crew Cab 4x4. The Ford Cetane booster/Performance Improver is the key given the injectors and ULSD we now have to use.

The Torq-Shift is an incredible transmission, Ford got it right with the Torq-Shift...the Tow/Haul mode actually works 'properly' by sensing multiple factors and adjusting accordingly, it doesn't just hold the RPMs like most Tow/Haul modes do...it actually will sense braking/going down hills and down-shift for you, etc...it's always working for you, I'm not easily impressed and it impressed me as I do a lot of cross-country towing through mountain passes, etc. The transmission is bullet-proof as well. Allison is a good transmission, but technology has progressed as it always does and the Torq-Shift shows it.


I agree with most of everything you said. I have a 2006 F-250 6.0l PSD and have 51,000 flawless miles on it. (Knock on Wood) I don't agree with the statement they have all the bugs worked out after 2005. Couple of problems still: High Pressure Oil Pump fitting to the high pressure oil rail can come off and cause a no start and/or stall when oil is warm. The EGR cooler can fail, causing coolant to be sent into the cylinders and compressed, then pop go your headgaskets.

I use a filter for the coolant which insures that the oil cooler/EGR cooler are supplied with the proper amount of coolant, which should lessen the chances for my EGR cooler to melt and fail.

You are right on the money about using a lubricity additive. I use Stanadyne Performance formula every fourth fill, and 2 Cycle oil every fill to lube the injectors.

I could go on and on with tips, but have to get back to work :)
 
Originally Posted By: 1OilLover
Originally Posted By: Wizz
The 6.0 Diesels were problematic until '05...after that International got all of the bugs taken care of. There is a list of revisions floating around that shows what was revised over the years. The '06/'07 ones are solid as a rock and every bit as good if not better than Cummins and the Duramax which is an Isuzu diesel, that's why you see so many of them. If you own a 6.0 make sure to use the PM-23 Ford additive which is titled 'Cetane booster/Performance Improver' (they also make a 'Cetane booster/Anti-Gel' for cold climates)...don't use Diesel Kleen or any other off the shelf stuff, use the Ford additive at each fill-up, it keeps cetane levels up and adds lubricicity to the fuel...helps with injectors and the ULSD we now have to use. I have a handful of friends with '06/07 6.0s and not one of them have had a single mechanical issue and their mileage varies from 60K to 150+K...but they all use the Ford additive and clean their EGR every 20k miles (all EGRs need to be cleaned at some point...the 6.4s have multiple EGRs). And if you got a good flash from the factory you get great mileage, most of us are getting 19-20.5 MPG on the freeway unloaded with no mods. I averaged 20.5 MPG on a family trip one time in my stock Crew Cab 4x4. The Ford Cetane booster/Performance Improver is the key given the injectors and ULSD we now have to use.

The Torq-Shift is an incredible transmission, Ford got it right with the Torq-Shift...the Tow/Haul mode actually works 'properly' by sensing multiple factors and adjusting accordingly, it doesn't just hold the RPMs like most Tow/Haul modes do...it actually will sense braking/going down hills and down-shift for you, etc...it's always working for you, I'm not easily impressed and it impressed me as I do a lot of cross-country towing through mountain passes, etc. The transmission is bullet-proof as well. Allison is a good transmission, but technology has progressed as it always does and the Torq-Shift shows it.


I agree with most of everything you said. I have a 2006 F-250 6.0l PSD and have 51,000 flawless miles on it. (Knock on Wood) I don't agree with the statement they have all the bugs worked out after 2005. Couple of problems still: High Pressure Oil Pump fitting to the high pressure oil rail can come off and cause a no start and/or stall when oil is warm. The EGR cooler can fail, causing coolant to be sent into the cylinders and compressed, then pop go your headgaskets.

I use a filter for the coolant which insures that the oil cooler/EGR cooler are supplied with the proper amount of coolant, which should lessen the chances for my EGR cooler to melt and fail.

You are right on the money about using a lubricity additive. I use Stanadyne Performance formula every fourth fill, and 2 Cycle oil every fill to lube the injectors.

I could go on and on with tips, but have to get back to work :)


I actually believe Stanadyne 'might' be making the Ford Cetane booster/Performance Improver...but don't quote me on that as I'm not sure. Yea....I know they updated the oil cooler a couple years ago so they're not nearly as problematic as they used to be. But the EGRs still do go bad and it's a common item replaced during repair. I simply pull my EGR every 15k and use carb cleaner to clean it out real good and then replace the gasket when installing...a coat hanger is a good tool to lift the EGR out when cleaning it. Good to hear you're not having issues as well, this is what I
vebeen hearing from most 6/07 owners that take care of their SDs with proper fuel additive.
 
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