FIRST POST LONG TIME VISITOR SCHAEFFER LISTS 5W20 #704 SUPREME 7000
SCHAEFFER HAS GONE 5W20
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FIRST OFF,
THANKS FOR THE INFO
Knew it was in the works and only a matter of time before it showed. Is it SM GF-4? Salesrep?
Schaeffer's good stuff
THANKS FOR THE INFO
Knew it was in the works and only a matter of time before it showed. Is it SM GF-4? Salesrep?
Schaeffer's good stuff
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I hadn't bought into the thinner is better based on my own use results and in spite of arguments in favor of it. However, if I would consider going to a 5W-20 Schaeffers would be the one. I know they produce very fine products.
I can't find the new 5w-20 either. I had been hoping that Schaeffer would make a 5w-20 blend. There's a gap in the marketplace for a good 5w-20 GIII/PAO blend oil that sells for $3./qt. It should be ACEA A1 rated.
Mobil 1 0w-20 has the 5$/qt market covered. There are several good dinos for $1 to $2./qt. Valvoline makes an ACEA A1 blend for $3 qt, but I can't buy it anywhere. Where is Schaeffer's 20-weight?
Mobil 1 0w-20 has the 5$/qt market covered. There are several good dinos for $1 to $2./qt. Valvoline makes an ACEA A1 blend for $3 qt, but I can't buy it anywhere. Where is Schaeffer's 20-weight?
API SM GF4
HTHS 2.6 little disappointed
from tech data sheet online
[ January 12, 2005, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: BIRD DOG ]
Not too surprising. Ford, particularly trucks, are one of the biggest markets out there.
This is for the guys looking for the data sheet
http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/704.pdf
No MSDS on it yet .
http://www.schaefferoil.com/datapdf/704.pdf
No MSDS on it yet .
It's a PAO/GpII+ blend, with excellent low-temp characteristics. It's a borderline 0w-20 with a fp of 439 deg F! It meets Ford, GM, and Chrysler specs, and API SM ILSAC GF-4 and ACEA A1 (Schaeffer and Valvoline are the only two blends that meet ACEA A1.)
If Schaeffer can sell this for less than $4/qt, they've got a customer right here.
If Schaeffer can sell this for less than $4/qt, they've got a customer right here.
ACEA A1-2002 is easy. The others probably don't bother to quality their oil. A5 is tougher and A3 is really tough.
"A1 Oil intended for use in gasoline engines specifically designed to be capable of using low friction, low viscosity oils with a High Temperature / High Shear Rate Viscosity of 2.6 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines." (Basically the "energy conserving" oils.)
"A5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline engines designed to be capable of using low friction, low viscosity oils with a HT/HS of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines." (Basically the extended drain interval oils.)
"A3 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline engines and / or for extended drain intervals where specified by the engine manufacturer, and / or for year-round use of low viscosity oils, and/or for severe operating conditions as defined by the engine manufacturer." (Basically the higher performance oils with the high HT/HS viscosity.)
http://www.acea.be/ACEA/20020618PublicationsOilSequences.pdf
Ken
For those that missed it,they are using group I also in this mix .
Description :
Supreme 7000 SAE 5W-20 is blended from a unique combination of the finest
quality solvent refined, severely raffinate hydroconverted Group II Plus and
polyalphaolefin PAO synthetic base fluids available.
English Grammar 101. The words "solvent refined, severely raffinate hydroconverted Group II Plus" should be read together. "Solvent refined" and "severely raffinate hydroconverted" are adjectives describing the noun "Group II Plus." In other words it's saying the base oil used is Group II+ and PAO.
Whatever you say there Gman
5w30 product description
Says same .
5w30 MSDS
Oooops , what is that 64742-88-1 doing in there ?
Time will tell when the 5w-20's MSDS becomes available ..... won't it ?
5w30 product description
Says same .
5w30 MSDS
Oooops , what is that 64742-88-1 doing in there ?
Time will tell when the 5w-20's MSDS becomes available ..... won't it ?
If you note, I DID NOT say it didn't have Group I in it. I said if the description is read properly, it's saying that only Group II+ and PAO are used.quote:
Originally posted by Motorbike:
Whatever you say there Gman
5w30 product description
Says same .
5w30 MSDS
Oooops , what is that 64742-88-1 doing in there ?
Time will tell when the 5w-20's MSDS becomes available ..... won't it ?
You were trying to correct an earlier poster who said it was a Group II+/PAO blend. I was merely pointing out that based on Schaeffer's description, this poster was in fact CORRECT.
C'mon guys, this is a good thread. Retire to your corners and save the Strunk & White thrust and parry for another day. Please.
Too much skepticism is an open invitation to the state of rigor mortis, where you become so worried about being correct and rigorous that you never get anything finished.
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Too much skepticism is an open invitation to the state of rigor mortis, where you become so worried about being correct and rigorous that you never get anything finished.
--A skeptic
It doesn't say how much Group I is in the oil. It could be the carrier for the additive package. Any way it's a real good oil that retains it's protecting ability so they must be doing something right, even with Group I in it
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