SAE30 Non Detergent In B&S

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We just aquired some new Titan Industrial equipment that have Briggs and Stratton small engines on them. A generator a pressure washer and a compressor. The manual from Titan recommeneds non detergent 30 in the pump and the engines on all equipment and the salesman made a point of saying non detergent only. I will probably use a SAE30 but do not like the idea of a non detergent oil. BS says detergent for their motors on their website and the "2 cent fold up flyer" of a manual from Titan says no detergent, is this just a case of Titan making a misprint or being retarded and figuring they know oil best or should non detergent be used in some brand new B&S motors. It is a matter of warranty but what good is a warranty if I gum the thing up with non detergent a couple years from now and it neads to be replaced or rebuilt because of poor oil that was supposed to maintain warranty. I mean if GM said put corn oil in your 350 every 2000 miles would you do it to maintain warranty but have a ruined engine when warranty runs out? I will probably use Amsoil 30 diesel oil, and if enough people think 30 detergent is best I will write or call Titan and ask for a written statement saying I can use 30 like Amsoil or I will get a refund while this stuff is new and get something else. We normally buy Honda small engine and use 10W40 but this was a super package deal from a friend of a friend that sells Titan so we bought it.

[ July 05, 2003, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: hk33ka1 ]
 
I would not run ND oil in the engine itself. The pressure pumps and compressors are differant stories though.
 
The reason I was told to use ND oil in small engines is because these motors do not have an oil pump they use splash lubrication and if you put detergent oil in there you will get a foam that will not lubricate or cool your engine and the extra heat will coke the foaming oil and you will sludge it up real good. You also need to change your oil more freqently because you dont have detergent and its important to keep it clean.
 
" ...is this just a case of Titan making a misprint or being retarded"

I vote for retarded.
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And they wonder why people don't trust the manufacturer's recommendations.
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--- Bror Jace

[ July 16, 2003, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: Bror Jace ]
 
I sent Titan Industrial an e-mail asking why they would require an oil for warranty that would not give the best protection for the motor even though B&S recommends detergent and even synthetic. I sent this last week and have not recieved a reply yet. If I get a snotty type reply I don't know what I'll do but if it is somewhat positive I will request a letter ammending the warranty guidlines to allow a detergent oil. I am going to use Amsoil SAE30 diesel anyways.
 
"I am going to use Amsoil SAE30 diesel anyways."

I would too, if the temp is warm and somewhat constant. I would use a the 5W30 HDD for varying temps.
 
Well it's been almost three weeks since I sent Titan Industrial an e-mail asking about their oil and warranty policy/recommendations. No reply yet? I already have my Amsoil SAE30 and will use it whenever I do thebreak in oil change. I may keep a sample of the original oil and send it to Blackstone later on to see if it is detergent or ND.
 
my understanding is you use a detergent motor oil in a gasoline (or diesel) powered engine because when combustion by-products get into the base oil, it breaks it down and forms an acidic solution. The detergent oil is "detergent" because of it's additive package, and that keeps the oil in good condition for the time it's in there. Using a non-detergent in a gas powered engine would break down very quickly and possibly lead to bearing corrosion and failure, and ring sticking.

In non-combustion piston-type motors (piston compressors), you use a non-detergent oil because all that is needed is lubrication. The additive package in a detergent oil would be more apt to leave deposits around the piston rings because the heat from just air compression is not as high as combustion. I'm also not sure how the viscosity would work, since compressors will never get the oil to 100C like a gas engine would.
 
I would think the pressure washer and generator engines would live short lives on non-detergent oil. I remember my dad using non detergent oil in a old piston pump, and thats the only thing he used it in.
 
The detergent oils hold the crud in suspension much better, so almost all of the crud comes out with the oil through the drain plug.

Non-detergent oils allow sludge to form in any engine. Then you have to try to "clean it out".

B&S Oil/Honda Oil/John Deere Oil/Kohler Oil...all detergent oils..
 
Detergent is often Calcium. - - If stored for long time, Calcium attracts Moisture. - - Moisture causes rust. - - Rust damages surfaces. - - Damaged surfaces don't slide. - - Not sliding causes more damage. - - Kaboom.

JimPghPa
 
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Don't you think they mean ND oil in the compressor sump, not in the engine sump? That would make perfect sense. Same for the pressure pump housing.
 
think of it this way

the crud settles out each time the engine stops

so it settles to the bottom of the crankcase where it can do little damage coz it's not circulating

ND oils are suitable for engines without oil filters


Originally Posted By: Pete591
The detergent oils hold the crud in suspension much better, so almost all of the crud comes out with the oil through the drain plug.

Non-detergent oils allow sludge to form in any engine. Then you have to try to "clean it out".

B&S Oil/Honda Oil/John Deere Oil/Kohler Oil...all detergent oils..
 
Originally Posted By: rugerman1
From B&S website:
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Use a high quality detergent oil classified "For Service SF, SG, SH, SJ" or higher, such as Briggs & Stratton SAE 30W

Types of Oil

I read through that and I believe they were talking about engines that have an oil filter.
 
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