Saab, the brand- will it ever return?

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Despite their poor market viability, niche brands like SAAB have their role in enhancing the overall market.

Electronic wastegate controls (APC), direct ignition (SDI), active headrests...these ideas came to the market from SAAB, and quirks and smart thinking were part of their products before they became rebodied Opels.

Considering the final ignominy of the 9-2X and 9-7X, perhaps they should have been allowed to die before GM took their stake.

To me, there's little point in preserving a marque mainly as an additional marketing channel if they've lost what made them unique.

At least Volvo survived their tenure under Ford, and Geely has done a surprisingly good job at letting them do their thing. JLR and Aston-Martin also made the most of their second chances free from Ford.
 
Originally Posted By: Carmudgeon
Despite their poor market viability, niche brands like SAAB have their role in enhancing the overall market.

Electronic wastegate controls (APC), direct ignition (SDI), active headrests...these ideas came to the market from SAAB, and quirks and smart thinking were part of their products before they became rebodied Opels.

Considering the final ignominy of the 9-2X and 9-7X, perhaps they should have been allowed to die before GM took their stake.

To me, there's little point in preserving a marque mainly as an additional marketing channel if they've lost what made them unique.

At least Volvo survived their tenure under Ford, and Geely has done a surprisingly good job at letting them do their thing. JLR and Aston-Martin also made the most of their second chances free from Ford.


Saab also created an engine control system that used ionization instead of piezoelectric elements to detect knock. It used the plasma generated from the firing of the spark plugs to see how well the air/fuel mix ignited.

GM also controlled Subaru and Suzuki - right now the former is doing fine under Toyota, and surprisingly the parent company is taking a hands-off approach with them. Subaru's become mainstream but not boring like a Camry/Prius/Sienna/Highlander. The latter was neglected in the US, before they became glorified Daewoos(for the exception of the Aerio/Kizashi/Vitara). Supposedly Toyota bought them out as well, and if Subaru's kei cars in Japan were rebadged Toyotas the same might happen to Suzuki's small cars.
 
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Originally Posted By: Carmudgeon

At least Volvo survived their tenure under Ford, and Geely has done a surprisingly good job at letting them do their thing. JLR and Aston-Martin also made the most of their second chances free from Ford.


Survived? If it wasn't for Ford in the late 90's, Volvo would have gone under as well.
Similar to Saab, everyone is quick to blame Ford for "ruining" Volvo when they only offered funding and financial support to keep them afloat in exchange for Volvo's safety and tech.

It was merely timing and luck that kept Volvo afloat during the financial crisis of 2008.
 
Ford was also the best thing that could have happened to Jaguar, even though the XJ6/8 of that era was stodgy compared to the S-Class/7 Series/LS400. At least Jaguar got a sexier replacement for the old 1970s-era XJS and 2 more models to sell alongside the XJ8 even though one was a reskinned Mondeo/Contour and the other was basically a more luxurious Lincoln LS.

Land Rover was an odd duck - owned by Ford just before the Tata era, but the Range Rover of the 1990s got BMW powertrains and some of the electronics. And then the Discovery's replacement of the early-mid 2000s got the Cologne V6 and 5R tranny from the Explorer/Ranger.
 
I had loads of FUN in my '85 900T 4-door, 5-speed. Drove it for 14yrs and 256,000 mi. Learned a lot about wrenching on it. Always impressed with the way they did things. Definitely NOT a status symbol, but no other car looked like it. Being inside reminded me of a Cessna 152 cockpit.

Funky & fast when the turbo spooled up. It would really take off like a rocket.
 
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