RSX Oil Filters - Exposed

jthorner · Mar 20, 2005

You can always recognize a Champion Labs filter cut open by the sloppy arrangement of the pleats. Some bunched up close together, others stretched far apart. Most of the other companies manage to relatively evenly distribute the pleats, why can't Champion do so?

Here is his Bosch pic:

Here is the similar picture of the similarly priced Wix filter:

It really boggles my mind how well thought of Champion Labs filters are by some of the most vocal posters on BITOG.

John

427Z06 · Mar 20, 2005

jthorner, your pictures, and those of others, paint a dismal picture of Champion Labs current crop of filters. Do you think ALL the current Champion Labs filters are this bad?

I have a K&N that's a non-clicker and is probably production from a couple years ago. I'll cut open in the next month or so to see if this is a recent development or something that's been going on for a while now.

I'll spare everyone my usual rant on the current corporate cost cutting craze. They're probably already looking for ways to move their production over to China. Let's hope Purolator and Wix continue to build quality products here.

jthorner · Mar 21, 2005

Just to be clear, those are not my photos. I just put image links in to some of the photos by the tread's originator to make my point.

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They're probably already looking for ways to move their production over to China

Champion already has a big factory in Mexico. I don't know if they have any plans to go to China or not

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John

Greaser · Mar 21, 2005

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Originally posted by 2redhondas:
Greaser, are you saying the Baldwin filter has the bypass on the threaded end like Wix?

No..the Baldwin has the valve at the dome..the Ford spec is by-pass at the baseplate so Baldwin does this...Honda doesn't spec this although interestingly enough I have a Napa ProSelect (silver) #21356 for the 02 Honda 1.7L non-Vtec engine that HAS the by-pass at the baseplate..go figure

TallPaul · Mar 21, 2005

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Originally posted by jthorner:
You can always recognize a Champion Labs filter cut open by the sloppy arrangement of the pleats.

I used my first (and LAST) Champion (Value Tech) filter on my last (thankfully short for a rinse) OCI. The pleats looked just like those in your photo and the filter had only 800 miles on it with 10w30 oil.

pee-wee · Mar 22, 2005

Hi guys,

Im glad to see this site is going to good use!

In my experience taking these oil filters apart and using them on my RSX, I have to admit that the WIX filter seems to have the best overall quality in construction and seems to flow well too.

It will be interesting to see how the Purolator's stack up to the Wix filter.

Stay tuned

pee-wee · Apr 9, 2005

Hi guys,

I just updated the site.

I now have Fram, Purolator & Napa filters on there.

http://rsx.freewebpage.org/index.htm

lubeowner · Apr 10, 2005

Those pics of the Bosch (Champ) look familiar. The sad part is that where ever the pleats are spaced unevenly is where the media distrots, tears, or caves in. Believe me, so far in my study I have seen hundreds. The Honda filters made by Champ seem to be one of the ones that has a high failure rate.

Most of the damaged media I have seen has been on those filters with the clicker bypass, but are not limited to this this. I have seen G.M. filters and several diesel filter failures also.

BlazerLT · Apr 10, 2005

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Originally posted by pee-wee:
Hi guys,

I just updated the site.

I now have Fram, Purolator & Napa filters on there.

http://rsx.freewebpage.org/index.htm

Can you change the background color to dark blue.

The sky blue is extremely hard on the eyes.

pee-wee · Apr 11, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by BlazerLT:

quote:

Originally posted by pee-wee:
Hi guys,

I just updated the site.

I now have Fram, Purolator & Napa filters on there.

http://rsx.freewebpage.org/index.htm

Click to expand...

Can you change the background color to dark blue.

The sky blue is extremely hard on the eyes.

Site upgrade coming soon

2redhondas · Apr 12, 2005

pee-wee, your site is really getting to be a useful tool! I like what I see from Wix too. A few questions for you :

1. It is always said Wix and Napa Gold are the same, and the pictures seem to show that. Did you notice any differences in any little details that maybe don't show on the pictures?

2. The ADB valve on the Napa Pro-select is a different color than Wix/Napa Gold. Can you tell if the material itself seems different?

Thanks for your time and effort. Have you considered adding the 1334 and 1344 oversize Wix or Napa filters? I don't know if the RSX has room for the 1344, but the 1334 I think is the same size as the other two oversize filters you show. I would make a contribution for one of them.

pee-wee · Apr 16, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by 2redhondas:
pee-wee, your site is really getting to be a useful tool! I like what I see from Wix too. A few questions for you :

1. It is always said Wix and Napa Gold are the same, and the pictures seem to show that. Did you notice any differences in any little details that maybe don't show on the pictures?

2. The ADB valve on the Napa Pro-select is a different color than Wix/Napa Gold. Can you tell if the material itself seems different?

Thanks for your time and effort. Have you considered adding the 1334 and 1344 oversize Wix or Napa filters? I don't know if the RSX has room for the 1344, but the 1334 I think is the same size as the other two oversize filters you show. I would make a contribution for one of them.

2redhondas:

The only difference I noticed between the Napa Gold & Wix was the ADB valve like you have stated above.

The Wix has Nitrile ADBV while The Napa Gold has a silicone rubber ADBV.

Looks like the Napa Gold has the advantage on the ADBV.

boxcartommie22 · Apr 16, 2005

i refused to buy any filters that are made by champion labs... i will stick to fleetguard,baldwin and donaldson.

guile · Apr 16, 2005

Originally posted by pee-wee:

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The only difference I noticed between the Napa Gold & Wix was the ADB valve like you have stated above.

The Wix has Nitrile ADBV while The Napa Gold has a silicone rubber ADBV.

Looks like the Napa Gold has the advantage on the ADBV

Actually, as depicted on your website, the WIX and Napa Gold both have silicone ADBV, it's the Napa Proselect that has a nitrile ADBV.

pee-wee · Apr 16, 2005

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Originally posted by guile:
Originally posted by pee-wee:

quote:

The only difference I noticed between the Napa Gold & Wix was the ADB valve like you have stated above.

The Wix has Nitrile ADBV while The Napa Gold has a silicone rubber ADBV.

Looks like the Napa Gold has the advantage on the ADBV

Click to expand...

Actually, as depicted on your website, the WIX and Napa Gold both have silicone ADBV, it's the Napa Proselect that has a nitrile ADBV.

My apologies, you are correct.

The Napa Gold & Wix have identical ADBV's as well

guile · Apr 17, 2005

Posted by Peewee:

quote:

My apologies, you are correct.
The Napa Gold & Wix have identical ADBV's as well

No need to apologize ... btw great RSX oil filter website. I've been researching Honda filters for some time now ... tough to beat WIX (Napa Gold/CarQuest Premium) filters, solid construction, good filtration/flow. I rate them above OEM Honda filters, with the exception of the S2K filters (toyo roki) ... jury's still out on those as far as I'm concerned. Just not enough hard data to convince me they're better than WIX.

Quick_lude · Apr 26, 2005

Isn't this RSX filter the one that is used on all the Honda engines now, except the S2000 filter?

Btw, has anyone seen any data/cut away pics of the S2000 filter? I'm using one on my S since Honda claims it was designed for more flow, I did get a good UOA from it but still curious how well constructed this filter is.
There is this S2000 filter write up but no pics.

[ April 27, 2005, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: Quick_lude ]

pee-wee · May 2, 2005

HAMP filter now online! CLICK HERE

Gary Allan · May 2, 2005

Err ...I didn't reread the entire thread here, peewee ..but this Hamp filter here ...well, it's a master piece compared to the Champ Ecore ..but if I view the image correctly ..it can't do spit in terms of filtering. Correct me if I'm wrong here ..but those pleats, although nice an uniform, appear to have open ends exposed past the glued seal.

pee-wee · May 2, 2005

I was a bit disappointed with the construction of the HAMP personally... especially when its Honda's aftermarket pinnacle filter....

The ADBV was flimsy, and the filter was held together by a white ring of felt glued onto the media....

The filtering media was indeed well spaced & pleated evenly and the pleats were DEEP. But the felt end caps were too small to make this filter truly functional in terms of filtering.

This is Honda's performance filter line, so I'm sure filtering takes a back seat and the design was focused around flow.

RSX Oil Filters - Exposed

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