reports of Tmax problems running Amsoil

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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
OK so we agree the oil didn't work.

The guy used the wrong oil. He used 20w-50 when the manual recommended 10w30 or 10w-40. Do you want Amsoil to take the blame for this as well?
 
I dont defend Amsoil much, But i know alot of Bikers that run Amsoil 20W50 Motorcycle oil & love it, they have UOA`s to prove it, one guy lives in Florida & Rides a Superglide all they way to Sturgis every year running Amsoil in all 3 holes,, never a problem @ over 80,000 miles. i run Dino oil in My Harley & a oil cooler But i also have geardrive cams.( no drag on cam set-up) unlike chains & tensioners. runs cooler, no need for Synthetic in My app. anyway ease up on the Amsoil guys. they need to make a living too.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
OK so we agree the oil didn't work.

The guy used the wrong oil. He used 20w-50 when the manual recommended 10w30 or 10w-40. Do you want Amsoil to take the blame for this as well?




He's not the only person with that problem using Amsoil. Here's another.
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Something is causing the issue.

"Was curious because my Tmax is showing the same symptoms you had experienced, the RPM's going up higher than they should and the Tmax really slow taking off from a stop, and it gets worse as it warms up, I am also running Amsoil, 10W-40 motorcycle oil, I have since the first oil change. I checked my extended warranty and it does not cover the wet clutches, I have found on-line at Stadium Yamaha parts a clutch housing complete for $117.00, I think I am going to try and tackle this myself, nearly $1,000.00 for the dealer to repair it is too much for my pocket book right now. I bought the shop manual when I purchased my Tmax and it may have been a very wise purchase."

Then he said this later on:

"My Tmax is back on the road , the clutches must have been slipping for over a year, but the failure was so gradual I didn't notice until it became obvious, after getting it back togther and twisted the throttle for the first time with the new clutches I could not believe the difference, it was like going from an 50CC scoot to 1000CC sport bike, it takes off like a mad bumble bee from a light now. I had measured the old clutches using an micrometer and compared the reading to the manual, there is no sighn of wear, so it all must of have been from the Amsoil creating such a slick surface on the clutches that they would just slip, even though the clutches looked and measured fine. I had to make my own tools to get the clutch housing apart, no luck trying to find the tools using the tool numbers out of the manual, thank goodness for Harbor Freight for cheap tools I can modify to do this job. Amsoil is going to hear about this.
see you on the road, lets ride."
 
When I started this thread, it was not to point the finger of blame for this particular incident. It was mostly to increase attention to a specific application of oil to engine that doesn't work well. Yamaha might redesign the clutch plates in their Tmax, or Amsoil may come up with a motorcycle oil that better fits the needs of the Tmax. But until one of these changes takes place, I think the prudent thing is to cease recommending Amsoil motorcycle oil to the owner of a Tmax. I would hope that would not be difficult.

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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: Pablo


Why would a manufacturer design a product that couldn't use a modern synthetic oil that meets or exceeds the OEM recommendation? Really, really lame.


Not really Barnett high performance clutches specifically recommend you do not use synthetic oil with their products.


I'll bet they discovered that after use in the field. So does Yamaha say the same in writing?


Why would that make any difference? I have had clutch slippage with synthetic oils and switched to Rotella 15w40 and had the slippage disappear immediately. It doesn't really mean there is anything wrong with the manufacturer. This was with a Harley Davidson wet clutch. Many motorcycle mechanics I know prefer mineral based oil in wet clutches. This is nothing new. Just depends on the set up in the application and what type of oil and clutch material. Lots of factors. Synthetics are not always the best in every application.
 
Originally Posted By: Doog
Why would that make any difference?


Well since Yamaha recommends such a wide range, they should be wise like Barnett and recommend not using synthetic oil if they know it doesn't work.

Anyway, I contacted Amsoil. They've had no reports of people using MCF 10W-40 and having any Tmax clutch problems. The one guy said he would report it, I wonder if he did. They also stated MCF fully meets the JASO MA requirement. So, if anyone can get in contact with the guy that had a problem with 10W-40 - please have them contact me directly. Or if anyone else has/had Tmax clutch problems please contact me.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo


Well since Yamaha recommends such a wide range, they should be wise like Barnett and recommend not using synthetic oil if they know it doesn't work.


Yamaha is an OEM and Barnett is a tier component supplier so the OEM is usually flying over those details at 50,000 feet while the component suppliers are knee deep in the technical details.

So while Barnett actually tests oil on their clutches...I doubt Yamaha does. The OEMs just adjust when there are a certain number of warranty failures. Otherwise they don't care.
 
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