Both are great but if 5 in an auto aint enough then hang it up.
Remington 870 18" 7-shot
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I've operated a pump-12 before and really enjoyed it. This gun's purpose would not be exclusively in respect to the topic of the thread, it would be used for recreational shooting as well. I'm sort of looking for something that could do dual-duty and the pump is priced right and sized right from what I can figure.
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If you want a dual purpose I would get a longer barrel. You will get better accuracy at longer distances with a longer barrel.
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If you want a dual purpose I would get a longer barrel. You will get better accuracy at longer distances with a longer barrel.
you did very well.....an 870 pump is almost impossible to beat and they are uber reliable.
I have a Hogue youth buttstock on mine for an even more compact SD firearm....a lot of police use youth stocks to enable easier use with their vest.
We have four 870's in our inventory....a .410 870 express, 12 ga Wingmaster, 20 ga Wingmaster, and a 12 ga Express Magnum with the aforementioned stock set and 18" barrel.
I have a Hogue youth buttstock on mine for an even more compact SD firearm....a lot of police use youth stocks to enable easier use with their vest.
We have four 870's in our inventory....a .410 870 express, 12 ga Wingmaster, 20 ga Wingmaster, and a 12 ga Express Magnum with the aforementioned stock set and 18" barrel.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
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For all you Americans, would this make a theoretical good "home defence" shotgun?
It strikes me as being maneuverable, relatively high capacity, and subsequently a good choice for home defence, if you live in an area with castle laws (and perhaps even ones that don't....)
Thoughts?
The shorter the better. This one is OK, but is a bit long for close-quarter combat.
Kanada used to have quite-relaxed long-gun laws compared to the US until 1991. For example: so long as the action was not self-loading and the overall length of the gun was more than 26", the feds didn't care what the gun's barrel-length was. This meant that you could cheaply buy Brazilian-made IGA "backpacker" single-shot shotguns with 8" barrels; I personally once owned two Remington 870 Police Magnums with 12" barrels; these examples required a Class III machine-gun dealer's license in the US, but only a basic "FAC" (anybody) license in Canada.
And, prior to January 1978, Kanada had NO laws for long guns AT ALL. Kanada treated rifles and shotguns in almost precisely the same manner as shovels, garbage pails, or candy bars (the US lost that environment ten-years before, in 1968); and you could use those long-guns to actually defend yourself without the modern certainty that Kanada's prosecutocracy would stick a knife in your back for having done so. I'm guessing you're bit young to remember all this, aren't you?
Kanada is a dead country walking; it's only a matter of time.
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For all you Americans, would this make a theoretical good "home defence" shotgun?
It strikes me as being maneuverable, relatively high capacity, and subsequently a good choice for home defence, if you live in an area with castle laws (and perhaps even ones that don't....)
Thoughts?
The shorter the better. This one is OK, but is a bit long for close-quarter combat.
Kanada used to have quite-relaxed long-gun laws compared to the US until 1991. For example: so long as the action was not self-loading and the overall length of the gun was more than 26", the feds didn't care what the gun's barrel-length was. This meant that you could cheaply buy Brazilian-made IGA "backpacker" single-shot shotguns with 8" barrels; I personally once owned two Remington 870 Police Magnums with 12" barrels; these examples required a Class III machine-gun dealer's license in the US, but only a basic "FAC" (anybody) license in Canada.
And, prior to January 1978, Kanada had NO laws for long guns AT ALL. Kanada treated rifles and shotguns in almost precisely the same manner as shovels, garbage pails, or candy bars (the US lost that environment ten-years before, in 1968); and you could use those long-guns to actually defend yourself without the modern certainty that Kanada's prosecutocracy would stick a knife in your back for having done so. I'm guessing you're bit young to remember all this, aren't you?
Kanada is a dead country walking; it's only a matter of time.
If you're wanting the 870 for home defense, then it'll certainly do. One thing you may want to consider if you haven't already is your wife. Mine can't aptly handle my 870 Express... It's too long. She is stretched out and has a hard time with her support hand and running the slide. Maybe consider a youth model and/or something in semi to eat up the recoil.
As for home defense loads, I'd use a commercially available (excluding any zombie or other gimmicky load) 00 buck round, or better yet, a 00 buck round marketed for personal/home defense. It's hard to argue the incapacitating ability of 9 pellets slamming into the bad guy at 1300+ fps.
As for home defense loads, I'd use a commercially available (excluding any zombie or other gimmicky load) 00 buck round, or better yet, a 00 buck round marketed for personal/home defense. It's hard to argue the incapacitating ability of 9 pellets slamming into the bad guy at 1300+ fps.
yep....almost like being shot with nine .357 rounds at once....close to the same velocity and only a little smaller
This is a great home defense shotgun. I bought this exact model about 2 years ago just for that same purpose. I have alot of handguns and keep one close in the bedroom but having the 870 pump near by too makes me feel better. It's a nice short smooth bore with 6 + 1 capacity. I've also seen these in 20 gauge and have thought of picking one of those up as well.
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Originally Posted By: RowdyYates
I've operated a pump-12 before and really enjoyed it. This gun's purpose would not be exclusively in respect to the topic of the thread, it would be used for recreational shooting as well. I'm sort of looking for something that could do dual-duty and the pump is priced right and sized right from what I can figure.
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If you want a dual purpose I would get a longer barrel. You will get better accuracy at longer distances with a longer barrel.
I don't think I'll be hunting with it, just blowing up tape archive drives, old servers....etc.
I am going to be buying a Remington 700 R5 Milspec .308 for accuracy duty and hunting purposes.
I've operated a pump-12 before and really enjoyed it. This gun's purpose would not be exclusively in respect to the topic of the thread, it would be used for recreational shooting as well. I'm sort of looking for something that could do dual-duty and the pump is priced right and sized right from what I can figure.
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If you want a dual purpose I would get a longer barrel. You will get better accuracy at longer distances with a longer barrel.
I don't think I'll be hunting with it, just blowing up tape archive drives, old servers....etc.
I am going to be buying a Remington 700 R5 Milspec .308 for accuracy duty and hunting purposes.
Consider a 20ga for even lighter weight, lower recoil, and will be much easier for your wife to use.
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Consider a 20ga for even lighter weight, lower recoil, and will be much easier for your wife to use.
My wife's half Mi'kmaq, I have no concerns about her ability to handle a 12-gauge. She's 4'11", but she can hold her own like a champ.
Consider a 20ga for even lighter weight, lower recoil, and will be much easier for your wife to use.
My wife's half Mi'kmaq, I have no concerns about her ability to handle a 12-gauge. She's 4'11", but she can hold her own like a champ.
I like the Mossberg pumps more these days but there is no question about the 870.
I've shot thousands of rounds through a few short barreled 12 gauge shotguns (also LOVE the Winchester 1300) and everyone needs at least one IMO!
Be safe!
I've shot thousands of rounds through a few short barreled 12 gauge shotguns (also LOVE the Winchester 1300) and everyone needs at least one IMO!
Be safe!
18" is the minimum barrel length unless it is registered as a short barreled shot gun (200.00 tax) or unless it was manufactured as an AOW (any other weapon).
AOW's are a 5.00 tax instead of 200.00.
Most gun manufacturers make the barrel longer than 18" to be in the safe side.
I run an 870 police magnum with a speed feed stock, but just changed it to a Magpul SGA stock with all the spacers removed. The length of pull is about 12" with the SGA in this condition. I'm a shorter statue shooter and with body armor it fits me well. The youth stock is 11" length of pull and it tend to put the receiver on my nose and a few times caught me by surprise with our 2-3/4" 9 pellet loads.
I'm not a fan of the mossberg. Some like it some don't. The big advantage to the mossberg is that the safety is on the back and is more of an ambi safety compared to the Remington.
A guy I worked with has a 500 for work and after about 100rds the spring for the safety started wearing out and every time you fired it, the safety would go on to safe when the gun recoiled.
If I bought a mossberg I would get a 590 over the std 500. The 590 has a metal safety over a plastic safety. It has other improvements too, I just can't think of them off the top if my head now.
There is a Remington 870 depress tactical model out now , that's the one I would go for. It has a set of Xpress sights ghost ring sights and a rail on top of the receiver too. It's also threaded for the rem choke system and has a break on it from the factory. They can be had for about 475.00- 515.00 on sale.
AOW's are a 5.00 tax instead of 200.00.
Most gun manufacturers make the barrel longer than 18" to be in the safe side.
I run an 870 police magnum with a speed feed stock, but just changed it to a Magpul SGA stock with all the spacers removed. The length of pull is about 12" with the SGA in this condition. I'm a shorter statue shooter and with body armor it fits me well. The youth stock is 11" length of pull and it tend to put the receiver on my nose and a few times caught me by surprise with our 2-3/4" 9 pellet loads.
I'm not a fan of the mossberg. Some like it some don't. The big advantage to the mossberg is that the safety is on the back and is more of an ambi safety compared to the Remington.
A guy I worked with has a 500 for work and after about 100rds the spring for the safety started wearing out and every time you fired it, the safety would go on to safe when the gun recoiled.
If I bought a mossberg I would get a 590 over the std 500. The 590 has a metal safety over a plastic safety. It has other improvements too, I just can't think of them off the top if my head now.
There is a Remington 870 depress tactical model out now , that's the one I would go for. It has a set of Xpress sights ghost ring sights and a rail on top of the receiver too. It's also threaded for the rem choke system and has a break on it from the factory. They can be had for about 475.00- 515.00 on sale.
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It will work fine, but I like a shotgun that is more versitile than biased for home defense only.
A great choice would be an 870 with the 3-1/2 inch magnum chamber and the usual Rem Chokes & wrench. It would shoot every shell length from 2-3/4 to the big talkers, & do the work for fun shooting to turkeys & ducks. Also the hunting variants come with the 3-shot plug that is required for waterfowl here in the States. the hunting variants come with a four chot magazine for the most part.
A great choice would be an 870 with the 3-1/2 inch magnum chamber and the usual Rem Chokes & wrench. It would shoot every shell length from 2-3/4 to the big talkers, & do the work for fun shooting to turkeys & ducks. Also the hunting variants come with the 3-shot plug that is required for waterfowl here in the States. the hunting variants come with a four chot magazine for the most part.
I have Mossbergs as well as Remingtons, Benelis, Ithicas, Winchesters, IHs and many others. I'm a riffle and shot gun nut. My favorite home defender is the Remington 7+1 870. I trust mine with my life.
The Mosseys are just rattle traps. I have never had one malfunction but you can hear someone carrying one a mile away.
The Mosseys are just rattle traps. I have never had one malfunction but you can hear someone carrying one a mile away.
Originally Posted By: morepwr
The reason I bought a pump action shotgun was for the sound it makes when you ready it! Everyone knows that sound and its a universal warning. I would much rather somebody hear that and run off rather than keep coming and get to hear a loud boom!
"Get out or I'll shoot" works as well, though I agree it is less Hollywood than a dramatic slide rack.
Likely just the sound of you opening the bedroom door and yelling GTF out of here will scare off almost any thief.
The reason I bought a pump action shotgun was for the sound it makes when you ready it! Everyone knows that sound and its a universal warning. I would much rather somebody hear that and run off rather than keep coming and get to hear a loud boom!
"Get out or I'll shoot" works as well, though I agree it is less Hollywood than a dramatic slide rack.
Likely just the sound of you opening the bedroom door and yelling GTF out of here will scare off almost any thief.
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Goodness. How many times is this racking the slide scaring off perps stuff going to come up. If someone is in your house in the middle of the night the first thing they should hear is the bullet hitting their chest. Messing around hoping sounds are going to stop perps might get you killed.
Yep.
Goodness. How many times is this racking the slide scaring off perps stuff going to come up. If someone is in your house in the middle of the night the first thing they should hear is the bullet hitting their chest. Messing around hoping sounds are going to stop perps might get you killed.
Yep.
I have been looking and calling around for this shotgun for six months - no one has it in stock or could say when they would get some in. Finally yesterday I found the five shot version at a local gun shop - Remington 870 Express Synthetic, model 25549. It is indentical to the seven shot 25077 model except for the smaller tube. I bought the gun and ordered a two shell extension kit. Happy camper!
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