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As long as it meets your particular vehicle's oil standards needs, it should be fine.. Some vehicles have particular standards the oils used need to meet, for warranty purpose if nothing else.
I don't have any examples as I personally never pay attention to them.
I don't have any examples as I personally never pay attention to them.
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Thanks for that. It says "recommended for API SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF and ACEA A3/B4" Does this mean it has been tested and certified? Im wondering about vehicle warranty. Oh, and thier Australian site sucks!
It has been tested by Redline, but not certified by API or ACEA.
The warranty....is a grey area and a can of worms.
Thanks for that. It says "recommended for API SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF and ACEA A3/B4" Does this mean it has been tested and certified? Im wondering about vehicle warranty. Oh, and thier Australian site sucks!
It has been tested by Redline, but not certified by API or ACEA.
The warranty....is a grey area and a can of worms.
Originally Posted By: fj610
Thanks for that. It says "recommended for API SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF and ACEA A3/B4" Does this mean it has been tested and certified? Im wondering about vehicle warranty. Oh, and thier Australian site sucks!
Red Line, like the majority of Amsoil's line up...and RLI, isn't officially licensed by the API.
Regarding warranty, you might be taking a gamble if the dealer is dead set on voiding your warranty. I've heard stories on the 'net, but have yet to witness or personally hear of an instance where the dealership went investigating the oil unless there was an obvious lack of maintenance and I surely haven't seen a dealership or factory field rep send an oil off for UOA just to make sure it has SM ZDDP levels.
Thanks for that. It says "recommended for API SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF and ACEA A3/B4" Does this mean it has been tested and certified? Im wondering about vehicle warranty. Oh, and thier Australian site sucks!
Red Line, like the majority of Amsoil's line up...and RLI, isn't officially licensed by the API.
Regarding warranty, you might be taking a gamble if the dealer is dead set on voiding your warranty. I've heard stories on the 'net, but have yet to witness or personally hear of an instance where the dealership went investigating the oil unless there was an obvious lack of maintenance and I surely haven't seen a dealership or factory field rep send an oil off for UOA just to make sure it has SM ZDDP levels.
Bottom line is that Redline oil has no certifications. And it doesn't bug me one bit.
What bugs me is the hypocrisy of some posters. Not in this thread - more like the people who aren't posting in this thread, but some of these folks would post in a Royal Purple, or .....ahem Amsoil thread of the same question. Just saying.
What bugs me is the hypocrisy of some posters. Not in this thread - more like the people who aren't posting in this thread, but some of these folks would post in a Royal Purple, or .....ahem Amsoil thread of the same question. Just saying.
Redline carries no API cert, I use Redline oil it's a great oil in my opinion. Most blends of Amsoil and Royal Purple carry no API cert. These are great oils in my opinion as well.
I would have no hesitancy in using any of the so called 'boutique' oils in any of my vehicles. If their is any drawback to them, it would be price.
If a vehicle is in the warranty period follow the mfg's recommended OCI. When out of the warranty period it's your business alone what OCI you choose to follow.
I would have no hesitancy in using any of the so called 'boutique' oils in any of my vehicles. If their is any drawback to them, it would be price.
If a vehicle is in the warranty period follow the mfg's recommended OCI. When out of the warranty period it's your business alone what OCI you choose to follow.
I hear what is being said regarding API certification and I fully support Amsoil and Redline and use their products where I can.
The warranty of my new 2010 Jeep states the oil is to be API certified and meet the Daimler Chrysler MS-6395N requirement.
That being said it would pretty easy for the dealer to void my warranty if I did not follow the requirements and I would have no leg to stand on in court or anyone to help me fight the battle.
Based on the warranty issue I stick to the manufacture requirements of an API certification.. If Amsoil did not have the XL product line I would not be able to use their products.
Can someone explain why companies like Amsoil and Redline do not get their automotive oils all API certified?
Has there been any court cases where someone took a dealer or manufacture to court over the non API oil use and voided warranty issue?
The warranty of my new 2010 Jeep states the oil is to be API certified and meet the Daimler Chrysler MS-6395N requirement.
That being said it would pretty easy for the dealer to void my warranty if I did not follow the requirements and I would have no leg to stand on in court or anyone to help me fight the battle.
Based on the warranty issue I stick to the manufacture requirements of an API certification.. If Amsoil did not have the XL product line I would not be able to use their products.
Can someone explain why companies like Amsoil and Redline do not get their automotive oils all API certified?
Has there been any court cases where someone took a dealer or manufacture to court over the non API oil use and voided warranty issue?
This has been a hot topic, and is in a real slug fest on another board. There is a law these companies rely on that sell products that don't have the API blessings, it is called Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. A link to the law.
http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm
IMO there are areas of gray in everything, and if you are concerned then use an API certified product that the mfg approves. If you have faith in the product and the company behind it, then use what ever you like.
Having said that I ran for a full year Amsoil ASM which doesn't wear the API badge. I had no problems. JMO
http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm
IMO there are areas of gray in everything, and if you are concerned then use an API certified product that the mfg approves. If you have faith in the product and the company behind it, then use what ever you like.
Having said that I ran for a full year Amsoil ASM which doesn't wear the API badge. I had no problems. JMO
I've been running Redline for years and I sleep well at night and don't worry about warranty or meeting spec issues.
That said, what would it cost RL to obtain API certification? Would it be $250K or so per grade? I have no idea but I'm wondering if RL has crunched the numbers on what it would take in terms of pricing and volume to recoup the certification cost.
Again, I use RL products and have no qualms about their products however my interest is piqued.
That said, what would it cost RL to obtain API certification? Would it be $250K or so per grade? I have no idea but I'm wondering if RL has crunched the numbers on what it would take in terms of pricing and volume to recoup the certification cost.
Again, I use RL products and have no qualms about their products however my interest is piqued.
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Manufacturer's can only "recommend" unless they provide the product free of charge and therefore they can't void a warranty for not using a "recommended product...viscosity...API Cert..etc"...legally.
If the motor is acting up...check the oil BEFORE bringing it in. Make sure it is up to level...if "pitch black and sludgy"...change it and the filter too...common sense prevents stupid things like bringing a vehicle to a dealer without any oil in it or low 4/5 qts...also..reset the OCM when it hits 10% if you plan on going out further..they are able to find out when it was reset or went past oil maintenance.
An ounce of prevention goes a long ways!
If the motor is acting up...check the oil BEFORE bringing it in. Make sure it is up to level...if "pitch black and sludgy"...change it and the filter too...common sense prevents stupid things like bringing a vehicle to a dealer without any oil in it or low 4/5 qts...also..reset the OCM when it hits 10% if you plan on going out further..they are able to find out when it was reset or went past oil maintenance.
An ounce of prevention goes a long ways!
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