Will using Redline's ester based 5w30 synthetic in my 09 Nissan 370Z invalidate Nissan's warranty? Owner's manual seems fairly stern about using only Nissan ester Oil, which I'm not sure is a synthetic. Car has only 6500 miles on it and don't want to risk the warranty problem.
Redline 5w-30 in 370Z invalidates warranty?
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It is a recommendation only. Nissan Financial won't even pay for Ester oil anymore for the scheduled maintenance plans for vehicles that had the software update performed.
if it meets the specs in the manual then no they cant void your warranty.
Didn't know about software update. Please elaborate. Bought my 09 Z used last week.
Originally Posted By: RCK
Didn't know about software update. Please elaborate. Bought my 09 Z used last week.
Apparently the software update was for the G37. This was the bulletin that I was referring to.
I never researched the 370z, but I would think that a similar software update may be available since the engines are the same. But since the 370z was released first in the 09MY and not 08MY (like the G37), it may have already had this software installed from the factory.
Regardless, the manual clearly states that it is a recommendation, not a requirement. I have a 2010 Altima V6 that has similar wording in the manual.
Didn't know about software update. Please elaborate. Bought my 09 Z used last week.
Apparently the software update was for the G37. This was the bulletin that I was referring to.
I never researched the 370z, but I would think that a similar software update may be available since the engines are the same. But since the 370z was released first in the 09MY and not 08MY (like the G37), it may have already had this software installed from the factory.
Regardless, the manual clearly states that it is a recommendation, not a requirement. I have a 2010 Altima V6 that has similar wording in the manual.
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RL being a small boutique formulator doesn't pay to acquire any industry labeling. Having said that I've never heard of a manufacturer that has actually denied a valid warranty claim based on the oil brand used.
BTW, since a 30wt oil is specified RL's 0w30 would be a more appropriate choice. Their 5w30 is really a 40wt oil with it's HTHS vis of 3.8cP.
RL being a small boutique formulator doesn't pay to acquire any industry labeling. Having said that I've never heard of a manufacturer that has actually denied a valid warranty claim based on the oil brand used.
BTW, since a 30wt oil is specified RL's 0w30 would be a more appropriate choice. Their 5w30 is really a 40wt oil with it's HTHS vis of 3.8cP.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Their 5w30 is really a 40wt oil with it's HTHS vis of 3.8cP.
Nonsense. While Redline has better film strength under extreme conditions as measured by HTHS, kinematic viscosity is the measurement of oil weights as defined on bottle labels and Redline 5w30 will not be a 40wt at 100C.
Their 5w30 is really a 40wt oil with it's HTHS vis of 3.8cP.
Nonsense. While Redline has better film strength under extreme conditions as measured by HTHS, kinematic viscosity is the measurement of oil weights as defined on bottle labels and Redline 5w30 will not be a 40wt at 100C.
If it meets the spec a manufacturer cannot deny a warrantee claim. Red line is a great product proven time and time again. Use with confidence and get a used oil analysis. It will put your mind at ease and us bitogers wanna see the results. Thanks
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
If it meets the spec a manufacturer cannot deny a warrantee claim. Red line is a great product proven time and time again. Use with confidence and get a used oil analysis. It will put your mind at ease and us bitogers wanna see the results. Thanks
But it doesn't meet the spec.
If it meets the spec a manufacturer cannot deny a warrantee claim. Red line is a great product proven time and time again. Use with confidence and get a used oil analysis. It will put your mind at ease and us bitogers wanna see the results. Thanks
But it doesn't meet the spec.
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Their 5w30 is really a 40wt oil with it's HTHS vis of 3.8cP.
Nonsense. While Redline has better film strength under extreme conditions as measured by HTHS, kinematic viscosity is the measurement of oil weights as defined on bottle labels and Redline 5w30 will not be a 40wt at 100C.
It's anything but nonsense.
HTHS viscosity is the true measure of how thick or thin an oil is at normal operating temp's and higher. In that regard it trumps the kinematic viscosity measure which doesn't take the affects of pressure (stress) into consideration.
The issue was discussed at length in the following thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1998957/
An oil with a HTHS vis of 3.8cP is a light 40wt oil make no mistake. Red Line says as much on the back of their 5w30 bottle;
"Red Line 5w30 provides more bearing viscosity than most petroleum 10W40s". Bearing viscosity is in effect a laymans term for HTHS viscosity. It's the reason RL often suggests dropping a grade when switching to one of their products, particularly their 5W-XX and heavier grades.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Their 5w30 is really a 40wt oil with it's HTHS vis of 3.8cP.
Nonsense. While Redline has better film strength under extreme conditions as measured by HTHS, kinematic viscosity is the measurement of oil weights as defined on bottle labels and Redline 5w30 will not be a 40wt at 100C.
It's anything but nonsense.
HTHS viscosity is the true measure of how thick or thin an oil is at normal operating temp's and higher. In that regard it trumps the kinematic viscosity measure which doesn't take the affects of pressure (stress) into consideration.
The issue was discussed at length in the following thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1998957/
An oil with a HTHS vis of 3.8cP is a light 40wt oil make no mistake. Red Line says as much on the back of their 5w30 bottle;
"Red Line 5w30 provides more bearing viscosity than most petroleum 10W40s". Bearing viscosity is in effect a laymans term for HTHS viscosity. It's the reason RL often suggests dropping a grade when switching to one of their products, particularly their 5W-XX and heavier grades.
I have been using Redline 5w30 in my '09 370Z since the 5000 mile mark. I have been running 5K OCI's and using a Mobil 1 # 110 filter. I have posted 2 Blackstone analysis reports in that section of BITOG if you want to search for them under my name. They reports have been favorable.
I have kept all of my receipts for the oil & filters and done my own changes and the chances of an oil related failure is so slim that I don't worry about it. I suppose if the engine failed and Nissan refused a warranty claim I'd take it up with Redline.
The VQ37 engines run hot and are hard on oil, but at least with 5K OCI's the Redline did not shear out of grade. I don't know that I would feel comfortable dropping to a 0w30 weight, especially since I live in CA and extreme cold temperatures are about non-existent. I think the OP should feel confident with the Redline synthetic. You can also buy from Amazon by the case of 12 and have it delivered to your door for just under $10 per qt, much cheaper than the crummy overpriced Ester oil.
I have kept all of my receipts for the oil & filters and done my own changes and the chances of an oil related failure is so slim that I don't worry about it. I suppose if the engine failed and Nissan refused a warranty claim I'd take it up with Redline.
The VQ37 engines run hot and are hard on oil, but at least with 5K OCI's the Redline did not shear out of grade. I don't know that I would feel comfortable dropping to a 0w30 weight, especially since I live in CA and extreme cold temperatures are about non-existent. I think the OP should feel confident with the Redline synthetic. You can also buy from Amazon by the case of 12 and have it delivered to your door for just under $10 per qt, much cheaper than the crummy overpriced Ester oil.
Why take a chance? Use what meets specs.
Call Redline and ask then request the info in writing and do the same with Nissan.
Originally Posted By: Dwight_Frye
Redline.
The VQ37 engines run hot and are hard on oil, but at least with 5K OCI's the Redline did not shear out of grade. I don't know that I would feel comfortable dropping to a 0w30 weight,
There are 0w30 grades and then there are 0w30 grades, you can't generalize. RL's 0w30 is likely their best all round, true 30wt street oil with it's HTHS vis of 3.2cP and 183 VI. It has proven to be impervious to shear. To quote RL, their 0w30 "provides more bearing viscosity than most 10W30s".
What's not to like?
Redline.
The VQ37 engines run hot and are hard on oil, but at least with 5K OCI's the Redline did not shear out of grade. I don't know that I would feel comfortable dropping to a 0w30 weight,
There are 0w30 grades and then there are 0w30 grades, you can't generalize. RL's 0w30 is likely their best all round, true 30wt street oil with it's HTHS vis of 3.2cP and 183 VI. It has proven to be impervious to shear. To quote RL, their 0w30 "provides more bearing viscosity than most 10W30s".
What's not to like?
Redline oil has a higher Moly and Phosphorous content than what is allowed in ILSAC GF4 and GF5 oils, that may cause them to deny a warranty claim if a cat fails.
That is why in my car, I plan to use Redline oil the moment all warranties expire.
That is why in my car, I plan to use Redline oil the moment all warranties expire.
That could take a very long time. Isn't the warranty on the cat' at least 100,000 miles now?
I don't think the high moly level is an issue. The 0W-20 grades from Toyota, Honda and Subaru have levels approaching those of RL. RL's ZDDP level is certainly high but the very low NOACK percentages should offset that to a certain extent.
Besides if the cost of a new cat doesn't concern you after the warranty has expired why would it during the warranty period?
I don't think the high moly level is an issue. The 0W-20 grades from Toyota, Honda and Subaru have levels approaching those of RL. RL's ZDDP level is certainly high but the very low NOACK percentages should offset that to a certain extent.
Besides if the cost of a new cat doesn't concern you after the warranty has expired why would it during the warranty period?
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
RL's ZDDP level is certainly high but the very low NOACK percentages should offset that to a certain extent.
Besides if the cost of a new cat doesn't concern you after the warranty has expired why would it during the warranty period?
^^^^^GREAT points!!
RL's ZDDP level is certainly high but the very low NOACK percentages should offset that to a certain extent.
Besides if the cost of a new cat doesn't concern you after the warranty has expired why would it during the warranty period?
^^^^^GREAT points!!
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