Redline 50-70% PAO updated safety data sheets

[spiderbypass]

Noticed Redline updated motor oil safety data sheets as of June 2022 and showed 50-70 percent PAO content… Mentioned POE as being inherently Biodegradable under that section.
https://w3apps.phillips66.com/NetMS...anguage=EN&IssueDate=6/20/2022&SubFormat=USDS

 

[OVERKILL]

Not surprising. While it has been stated to have been majority PAO on here in the past, it has still been something folks argue about. We've had SDS sheets from them before that were similar.

 

[The Critic]

Many of the Redline engine oils have a new part # as of June as well. Not sure what that means...

 

[OVERKILL]

Many of the Redline engine oils have a new part # as of June as well. Not sure what that means...

According to the discussions @Rod Knock has had with them, they are reformulating to bring them "up to date" with more modern additive packages. Will be interesting to see what that looks like.

 

[Brian123]

Flash Point of 302 Degrees Fahrenheit

 

[tyman]

Flash Point of 302 Degrees Fahrenheit

their specs are for their entire range of oils from 0W16 to 20w50 but they do say it's >302*F/>150*C so they're saying it's higher than that but they're not giving any specifics

Flash point: > 302 °F / > 150 °C

Viscosity: 8-26 cSt @ 100°C; 44-148 cSt @40°C

 

[Jetronic]

No surprises there. PAO is much less dense than POE, which has a relative density close to water. The Finished product density is however in line with a fairly equal mix of PAO. of course POE + PAO doesn't make up 100% of the finished product.

Did people think it's majority POE?

 

[buster]

No surprises there. PAO is much less dense than POE, which has a relative density close to water. The Finished product density is however in line with a fairly equal mix of PAO. of course POE + PAO doesn't make up 100% of the finished product.

Did people think it's majority POE?

Dave said they use in the 40% range, which seems awfully high. The virgin oxidation figures do suggest substantial ester content.

A modern additive system in their top tier line would be a welcomed change.

 

[The Critic]

According to the discussions @Rod Knock has had with them, they are reformulating to bring them "up to date" with more modern additive packages. Will be interesting to see what that looks like.

I'll believe 2300ppm Zinc when I see it.

 

[benjy]

good lubes for sure if you need xtra protection for xtra $$$. using their drivetrain lubes netted me about 3 mpgs in my 2011 fronty, 16 to 19 mpg made the cost worth it to me

 

[aquariuscsm]

Does Redline still advertise “Ester based” or similar verbiage on their website?

 

[Trav]

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I'll believe 2300ppm Zinc when I see it.

That seems awful high for a street oil.

 

[tyman]

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I'll believe 2300ppm Zinc when I see it.

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[Revving2Redline]

Probably with material costs going up they too figured that they could stand a revision, costs and other variables.

 

[johnD2]

Does Redline still advertise “Ester based” or similar verbiage on their website?

5w30 description.

 

[aquariuscsm]

5w30 description.

Yep, by their advertising it should be basically completely ester based, at least to my layman's eyes.

 

[Revving2Redline]

Yep, by their advertising it should be basically completely ester based, at least to my layman's eyes.

What if the "base oil" is majority ester? Kinda like paint being 100 percent acrylic but it doesn't mean the whole gallon consists of only acrylic making up the 100 percent but has pigment,binders,Ti02,soap,etc?

 

[4WD]

Yep, by their advertising it should be basically completely ester based, at least to my layman's eyes.

They do mislead IMO - but I knew … Like it for air cooled gens …

 

[buster]

What if the "base oil" is majority ester? Kinda like paint being 100 percent acrylic but it doesn't mean the whole gallon consists of only acrylic making up the 100 percent but has pigment,binders,Ti02,soap,etc?

Doubtful. When I asked Dave I said to him I realize you can't give specific proprietary information on your formulations, but there is a lot of questions when it comes to how much ester you guys are using being you claim you are an ester based formulation. I asked him if he could just give a rough estimate on how much and that is when he said around 40%.

You can't estimate the % of ester per the virgin oxidation figure, however, RL does show a that number to be from 90-130, which is significantly higher than any other oil I've ever seen. Amsoil would be the next highest with readings around 50. It was suspected Amsoil is using somewhere around 11-14% V base oil.

So if RL is using 50-70% PAO, that does still leave room for significant ester base oil.

Mobil 1 0w40 has a virgin oxidation figure of 36, suggesting some larger V component (5-7%) based on guesstimates.

Here is a VOA of Valvoline Premium Blue Restore which is a 50% POE based oil and also has a oxidation reading of 110.

Notice the oxidation figure of RL 5w40 is 129. Other grades range from 90-129

 

[OVERKILL]

What if the "base oil" is majority ester? Kinda like paint being 100 percent acrylic but it doesn't mean the whole gallon consists of only acrylic making up the 100 percent but has pigment,binders,Ti02,soap,etc?

The base oil is clearly majority PAO.