Not sure if this is the right thread but does your city have "red light tickets". I live in Chicago and they are everywhere. We have "speed cameras" also around some parks and schools. They claim it's to save the children but the speed cams operate on the weekends and until 11pm during the week. I don't think grade school kids are walking home at 10pm. I have seen certain cases where they actually increase rear end collisions. On the other hand, outside of Lake Shore Drive, our police rarely make traffic stops. Do you think these things really help reduce accidents or are the just a revenue generator? I have only received 2 in the past 5 years so I haven't been effected too much by them. They are $100 and if you don't pay they double to $200.
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Both. If you slowdown you don't have to worry.
Don't live in a city, heck my town doesn't even have traffic lights.
I don't know if NH has any of these blasted things. Not sure they'd impact me--speed cameras, well that'd be different.
Not sure if they do much other than generate revenue. I think there's been lawsuits over that when such systems failed to generate the expected number of tickets. I haven't paid attention as we don't seem to have 'em.
I don't know if NH has any of these blasted things. Not sure they'd impact me--speed cameras, well that'd be different.
Not sure if they do much other than generate revenue. I think there's been lawsuits over that when such systems failed to generate the expected number of tickets. I haven't paid attention as we don't seem to have 'em.
I sure wish my town had them. I see red-light runners all the time in Cape Coral FL. I believe they reduce accidents after the initial phase where a portion of the people don't know cameras are there and rear end someone who stops at a red light. I am all for them and see nothing wrong with the cities reaping some dollars to help pay for our police force? Ed
City of Los Angeles won't enforce collection. You still get a citation, but it goes in a drawer in the courthouse if noncollectable.
Except: They still enforce red-light cameras for the light-duty rail (maybe the sheriffs enforces those).
Except: They still enforce red-light cameras for the light-duty rail (maybe the sheriffs enforces those).
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We had red light cameras. They were deened unconstitutional and were removed. I know a guy that did stop but was touching the Line. Got 2 tickets in a week together they were $900.
If course when they removed the cameras he didn't get a refund.
If course when they removed the cameras he didn't get a refund.
Originally Posted by Eddie
I sure wish my town had them. I see red-light runners all the time in Cape Coral FL. I believe they reduce accidents after the initial phase where a portion of the people don't know cameras are there and rear end someone who stops at a red light. I am all for them and see nothing wrong with the cities reaping some dollars to help pay for our police force? Ed
Here tickets don't feed the bears. The fines are used to house,educate as well as free medical to illegals.
I sure wish my town had them. I see red-light runners all the time in Cape Coral FL. I believe they reduce accidents after the initial phase where a portion of the people don't know cameras are there and rear end someone who stops at a red light. I am all for them and see nothing wrong with the cities reaping some dollars to help pay for our police force? Ed
Here tickets don't feed the bears. The fines are used to house,educate as well as free medical to illegals.
I got one once. I crumpled it up and threw it in the trash.
Originally Posted by Eddie
I sure wish my town had them. I see red-light runners all the time in Cape Coral FL. I believe they reduce accidents after the initial phase where a portion of the people don't know cameras are there and rear end someone who stops at a red light
No, they just replace a few T-bone collisions with lots of rear-end collisions.
Same with speed cameras. People bumbling along the road at a safe speed and completely oblivious to the speed limit see a camera and slam on the brakes even though they're already below the speed limit, because they have no idea how fast they're driving or what the speed limit actually is. And other drivers go into the back of them because they don't expect someone doing 65 in a 70 limit on a clear road to suddenly slam on the brakes.
It's been pretty well demonstrated that, if you want to reduce red-light running, you just increase the length of the amber. A few idiots will just regard that as an excuse to keep going, but sane drivers see it and stop.
Many cities with red-light cameras have been doing the opposite, because they want more fines.
I sure wish my town had them. I see red-light runners all the time in Cape Coral FL. I believe they reduce accidents after the initial phase where a portion of the people don't know cameras are there and rear end someone who stops at a red light
No, they just replace a few T-bone collisions with lots of rear-end collisions.
Same with speed cameras. People bumbling along the road at a safe speed and completely oblivious to the speed limit see a camera and slam on the brakes even though they're already below the speed limit, because they have no idea how fast they're driving or what the speed limit actually is. And other drivers go into the back of them because they don't expect someone doing 65 in a 70 limit on a clear road to suddenly slam on the brakes.
It's been pretty well demonstrated that, if you want to reduce red-light running, you just increase the length of the amber. A few idiots will just regard that as an excuse to keep going, but sane drivers see it and stop.
Many cities with red-light cameras have been doing the opposite, because they want more fines.
Originally Posted by daves87rs
We had a few...didn't go very far due to the fact that people were racing through them at high speeds......
Using them as time-slips? That's funny.
We have red light cameras, but not speed cameras. Yet.
We had a few...didn't go very far due to the fact that people were racing through them at high speeds......
Using them as time-slips? That's funny.
We have red light cameras, but not speed cameras. Yet.
NH had some cameras a few years ago but removed them after many law suits. Also they shortened the yellow which screams entrapment. It seems if the yellow was left alone or lengthened a tenth they would have ultimately prevailed. The red light a couple miles from me is on a major highway 50 down to 40 MPH with the infamous DOT drag strip two into one that is entertaining watching the morons blow through.
[censored] is it with people complaining about getting caught by cameras doing things they're not supposed to be doing anyhow?
If one is faulty and giving innocent people ticket, that would irk me but if it does the slightest bit to make people think twice about stopping at red lights, that is far more improvement than the nonsense risk of people getting rear ended because they stopped at a light (unless you're a motorcycle and that still doesn't give a free ride through red lights, just better than the alternative if someone is about to crush you).
If one is faulty and giving innocent people ticket, that would irk me but if it does the slightest bit to make people think twice about stopping at red lights, that is far more improvement than the nonsense risk of people getting rear ended because they stopped at a light (unless you're a motorcycle and that still doesn't give a free ride through red lights, just better than the alternative if someone is about to crush you).
Of course tickets generate revenue. That's really not the point, though, or at least it shouldn't be. Now, some people like photo radar and so forth, some don't. I can live with photo radar in school zones, playground zones, construction zones, and places where it's not feasible for the police to do speed enforcement. Red light tickets are easy to avoid up here. They only ticket you if you enter the intersection when the light is already red, so you have to be doing something fairly foolish.
As to the other points, what are the school zone hours in Chicago? If school zones are in operation until 11:00 p.m. and on weekends, then it makes sense that the cameras would be I'm not a fan of school zones going overboard. They thought about 24 hour school zones in this city, and the police told the city council directly that they simply won't enforce that. In Regina, our school zones (and playground zones) are 08:00 to 22:00 all week, all year. Years ago, it was only school days for school zones, but that created the problem of what's a school day, when it comes to exams, statutory holidays, teacher conventions, and so forth.
When it comes to children being on school property or playgrounds, yes, 11:00 p.m. might be a bit late. 10:00 p.m. is not out of the question in the spring and summer, particularly a Friday night with kids playing in the school grounds, football field, baseball diamond, and that sort of thing. In fact, I think 8:00 a.m. is too late to start. My high school here started at 8:05 a.m. (yes, 8:05, not 8:00 or 8:15), and kids were obviously converging on the school zone before 8:00 a.m.
As to the other points, what are the school zone hours in Chicago? If school zones are in operation until 11:00 p.m. and on weekends, then it makes sense that the cameras would be I'm not a fan of school zones going overboard. They thought about 24 hour school zones in this city, and the police told the city council directly that they simply won't enforce that. In Regina, our school zones (and playground zones) are 08:00 to 22:00 all week, all year. Years ago, it was only school days for school zones, but that created the problem of what's a school day, when it comes to exams, statutory holidays, teacher conventions, and so forth.
When it comes to children being on school property or playgrounds, yes, 11:00 p.m. might be a bit late. 10:00 p.m. is not out of the question in the spring and summer, particularly a Friday night with kids playing in the school grounds, football field, baseball diamond, and that sort of thing. In fact, I think 8:00 a.m. is too late to start. My high school here started at 8:05 a.m. (yes, 8:05, not 8:00 or 8:15), and kids were obviously converging on the school zone before 8:00 a.m.
Originally Posted by Dave9
[censored] is it with people complaining about getting caught by cameras doing things they're not supposed to be doing anyhow?
Because once you have cameras:
1. Cities reduce the amber length on red lights to make stopping much harder. This has been conclusively proven to have happened in US cities that wanted to raise revenue.
2. They reduce speed limits to far below the sensible safe limit, to bring in more revenue. Many studies have shown that the safest drivers are around the 85th percentile by speed, yet governments set speed limits well below that level, literally criminalizing the safest drivers.
Basically, it's all a scam to make $$$$$ by penalizing people who are behaving in a safe manner. Which merely brings the law into disrepute and makes the roads more dangerous as drivers are staring at the speedo or looking out for cameras rather than keeping their eyes on the road.
And that's quite open here. The provincial and city government have pretty much said they want more cameras because more cameras is more $$$$. Safety be [censored].
I was quite shocked when I last drove in Holland, because the country had been infested with speed cameras on my previous trips, and suddenly they were all gone. Apparently the Dutch got fed up with the things and elected a government who removed most of them.
[censored] is it with people complaining about getting caught by cameras doing things they're not supposed to be doing anyhow?
Because once you have cameras:
1. Cities reduce the amber length on red lights to make stopping much harder. This has been conclusively proven to have happened in US cities that wanted to raise revenue.
2. They reduce speed limits to far below the sensible safe limit, to bring in more revenue. Many studies have shown that the safest drivers are around the 85th percentile by speed, yet governments set speed limits well below that level, literally criminalizing the safest drivers.
Basically, it's all a scam to make $$$$$ by penalizing people who are behaving in a safe manner. Which merely brings the law into disrepute and makes the roads more dangerous as drivers are staring at the speedo or looking out for cameras rather than keeping their eyes on the road.
And that's quite open here. The provincial and city government have pretty much said they want more cameras because more cameras is more $$$$. Safety be [censored].
I was quite shocked when I last drove in Holland, because the country had been infested with speed cameras on my previous trips, and suddenly they were all gone. Apparently the Dutch got fed up with the things and elected a government who removed most of them.
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I get "camera flashed" all the time in Fort Worth -
after coming to a complete stop, and about 5-10 seconds later.
They have lots and LOTS of pictures of me sitting motionless, at a stop light, with the brake lights on.
I have never received a ticket in the mail, ever.
after coming to a complete stop, and about 5-10 seconds later.
They have lots and LOTS of pictures of me sitting motionless, at a stop light, with the brake lights on.
I have never received a ticket in the mail, ever.
Originally Posted by Chris142
We had red light cameras. They were deened unconstitutional and were removed. I know a guy that did stop but was touching the Line. Got 2 tickets in a week together they were $900.
If course when they removed the cameras he didn't get a refund.
Yep, They are gone around here. Didn't help matters that the Company running them was corrupt and scamming people to get a bigger cut.
We had red light cameras. They were deened unconstitutional and were removed. I know a guy that did stop but was touching the Line. Got 2 tickets in a week together they were $900.
If course when they removed the cameras he didn't get a refund.
Yep, They are gone around here. Didn't help matters that the Company running them was corrupt and scamming people to get a bigger cut.
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