Recommend a quality push mower that will last.

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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
A Walmart Snapper is...a Walmart Snapper. You're paying less because you're getting less. The Briggs and Stratton Professional Series on the SP90 is a good engine, but the deck and controls will likely let you down. It also apparently sells for $350...or at least $300 at retail likely.


My understand is that the dealers also get that SP line. The problem is it's made to a budget price regardless of where you buy it and is maybe made by Murray and not Snapper proper. The SP90 really seems nice with nice features and the Professional series motor. All made in USA. But does it hold up good? I don't know probably about as good as any other $350 self propelled mower.

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The thing I don't like about the Ninja is the Briggs 725ex engine. This is essentially a dressed-up side-valve Quantum. It's an okay engine, but I'd much prefer an OHV Briggs or OHC Honda. It's too bad that this is the only available engine on the Ninja, and it's probably why it's priced at only $500 for what is otherwise a commercial-level lawn mower.


I know, it's too bad they didn't put a OHV Briggs on what is otherwise commercial mower at near residential prices. But Snapper does on their low-priced SP90 lol. Heck, even partner Murray has OHV Briggs on some ~$200 mowers. I guess they had get the price down some how, and the 725ex is not bad from a durability standpoint. But surely being owned by Briggs they could've made an OHV option without increasing the price too much.

The Ninja is the mower I suggested if he wanted quality and durability at a good price.

I'm not so down on the updated side valve Briggs side valve or even Quantams and as keen on the GCV as you are though. The updated side valve is much quieter and smoother running. And I had a 20+ year old Quantam cheapie mower that got little maintenance and gave me no problems I sold. For residential use the side-valve just might be as or more reliable as the OHV.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
For residential use the side-valve just might be as or more reliable as the OHV.


I'm sure they are. In my experience, every small vertical shaft engine will take loads of punishment for years. To me, the side-valves have never had the smoothness or the refinement of the newer OHV designs. I replaced a Briggs Quantum with a Honda GCV back in 2003 (the same GCV-160 I use today) and the difference in NVH was quite dramatic.

Maybe they've advanced the side-valve art even further with the newer ones. They're still inherently less efficient than a good OHV design, though, and that's what turns me off to them. In the end, I think we all choose what we choose because whatever that is makes us happy. For some, it's cost-per-mile (or price paid per years of service in a mower). For me, since I believe all of these small engines are pretty reliable, it's all about what makes me smile. And the smooth hum of some of the nicer OHV engines adds to the enjoyment of mowing for me.
 
The newer side valve Briggs are quite a bit quieter and smoother than the Quantam. They make a more pleasant sound than before in my opinion. The OHV/OHC might be just a little smoother and quieter still, but it's close enough now IME.

The side valves do seem to be more fuel thirsty. I don't like that either. I know it hasn't been your experience but the carb on Honda's has been problematic and I just don't like their carb set up much. Plus Brigg parts and parts diagrams still seem easier to come by.

I would probably choose an OHV over side valve given the choice, but with something like the Snapper Ninja, I wouldn't let the side valve stop me from getting the mower.
 
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I forgot. Actually the commercial Ninja mulcher does have a briggs professional OHV engine for $200 more over the Ninja. The engine and price is about the only difference I can see between the Ninja and commercial Ninja. If so I'm not sure if it's worth the price difference, but if you got to have an OHV it's still a good price on a commercial mower.

Same thing with the Hi-vac. There's Hi-Vac and then the commercial Hi-Vac and it seems mostly just the engine and price is the difference. If that's mostly the case and you don't mind a side-valve engine they would be a real good deal. The commercial ones aren't too unreasonable in price really either. Funny that Snapper calls them push mowers when most of them are self propelled http://www.snapper.com/push-mowers/
 
Small at 5000 square feet?

I've got 30 by 40, 1200 sq ft...

If the max length (from house) is 100 feet or less,
Consider a Black and Decker MM275 electric. Not the LM175.

Cord is a pain to drag around, but no gas, no oil, no spark plug, and no rust. Light plastic deck.

I have the MM675, a decade old.
 
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Ok guys. I went with a Snapper SP90 from Wal-Mart. Got if for $337 out the door. Got it home and set up and it would not start. I took it back and got another SP90 and it fired right up on the 1st pull. Sucks the 1st was a lemon but the 2nd Snapper Sp90 seems to be an outstanding mower. My grass was really long from not having a mower for a couple weeks and it mulched the long grass perfectly leaving no clumps.
My Toro Recycler always left small clumps even with much shorter grass. The engine is much smoother and quieter then any mower I have had in the past. It hauls a$$ and is very fast! Hopefully it will last at least 5 years. I'll give updates as time goes on.
 
I figured you would go with the SP90. I think the SP90 is a decent choice at the price. It has a big, powerful OHV engine and a lot of cool features, like ballbearings in the wheels and single point height adjustment. Hopefully it holds up.

If I were buying a mower, I'd be tempted to spend a couple hundred more and get a true Snapper like the ninja, but you don't get the professionl series engine unless you pay another couple hundred more. Then some mentioned the ninja is really loud.

Does the drive disengage good and back up freely against an obstacle?
 
I'm interested to see how it holds up for you. I think its a nice looking mower, and I like the engine, I'm just concerned about how durable they will be.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx


Does the drive disengage good and back up freely against an obstacle?


Yes it does!
 
Disregard. I bought a Honda HRX217VKA. I'm excited. My Toro 20056 was was having BBC cable issues etc, and I never really was happy with the Briggs engine.
 
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