Ranger diesel
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Meh. It would be a $5000 option and need urine for the exhaust. No thanks. I like what they are doing with turbo and DI for gas; almost replicating diesel torque curves. I'd rather have one of those.
I like it but don't think we will ever see it in this country.
I thought 2012 was supposed to be the last year for the North American Ranger. I can't remember where I read it but Ford states the profit margin on the "world" Ranger would be so small that they believe a low end F-150 can be sold for just a few dollars more.
I thought it was 2011, but yeah, its cooked. Too bad too. I think it needs a through redesign but I dont see why they had to kill it.
As far as the F150 being a Ranger replacement, Ive read that too, but I dont think anybody is buying it.
As far as the F150 being a Ranger replacement, Ive read that too, but I dont think anybody is buying it.
I like how the article started....
"If you just managed to get over the news that the new global Ford Ranger isn't coming to the States, you might want to look away."
This is killing me, I would buy one in a heartbeat!!!!
AAAAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
"If you just managed to get over the news that the new global Ford Ranger isn't coming to the States, you might want to look away."
This is killing me, I would buy one in a heartbeat!!!!
AAAAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I thought it was 2011, but yeah, its cooked. Too bad too. I think it needs a through redesign but I dont see why they had to kill it.
As far as the F150 being a Ranger replacement, Ive read that too, but I dont think anybody is buying it.
Yep, another neglected Ford that COULD have carried on as a very viable offering in the lineup.
It wasn't that long ago (11-12 years) when the Ranger handily outsold the Camry, not to mention all of its competitors. Too bad Ford didn't bother with any real updates during the past decade.
It's a great vehicle for many people that no longer has a suitable new replacement. All of the "mini" trucks are now fat gas hogs with full size prices.
If I HAD to buy a new truck, I probably would buy a basic F-150 XLT V6...an overweight, more portly version of what I have now. There, you win Ford. However, I am more likely to just buy a very clean, low mile, used Ranger than I am to buy a new F-150. The good thing is that these little trucks last a LONG time. My '02 with 105K miles and a couple wrecks under its belt is still an extremely reliable vehicle. I'd drive it across the country tomorrow if I needed to.
I think Ford may have lost some truck buyers permanently with this. My parents generally always buy brand new vehicles, and when they buy a pickup, it's going to be a Ranger. Dad doesn't want a full size, period. He also won't buy any GM pickup, so that knocks the Colorado out. All of the other trucks are larger than what he wants, and he hates the local Toyota dealer. Odds are if my dad really wants another pickup, it's going to be the cleanest, lowest mileage, used Ranger he can find.
I thought it was 2011, but yeah, its cooked. Too bad too. I think it needs a through redesign but I dont see why they had to kill it.
As far as the F150 being a Ranger replacement, Ive read that too, but I dont think anybody is buying it.
Yep, another neglected Ford that COULD have carried on as a very viable offering in the lineup.
It wasn't that long ago (11-12 years) when the Ranger handily outsold the Camry, not to mention all of its competitors. Too bad Ford didn't bother with any real updates during the past decade.
It's a great vehicle for many people that no longer has a suitable new replacement. All of the "mini" trucks are now fat gas hogs with full size prices.
If I HAD to buy a new truck, I probably would buy a basic F-150 XLT V6...an overweight, more portly version of what I have now. There, you win Ford. However, I am more likely to just buy a very clean, low mile, used Ranger than I am to buy a new F-150. The good thing is that these little trucks last a LONG time. My '02 with 105K miles and a couple wrecks under its belt is still an extremely reliable vehicle. I'd drive it across the country tomorrow if I needed to.
I think Ford may have lost some truck buyers permanently with this. My parents generally always buy brand new vehicles, and when they buy a pickup, it's going to be a Ranger. Dad doesn't want a full size, period. He also won't buy any GM pickup, so that knocks the Colorado out. All of the other trucks are larger than what he wants, and he hates the local Toyota dealer. Odds are if my dad really wants another pickup, it's going to be the cleanest, lowest mileage, used Ranger he can find.
Originally Posted By: Autografe
I thought 2012 was supposed to be the last year for the North American Ranger. I can't remember where I read it but Ford states the profit margin on the "world" Ranger would be so small that they believe a low end F-150 can be sold for just a few dollars more.
Yep, unless everyone else does it too...
I thought 2012 was supposed to be the last year for the North American Ranger. I can't remember where I read it but Ford states the profit margin on the "world" Ranger would be so small that they believe a low end F-150 can be sold for just a few dollars more.
Yep, unless everyone else does it too...
I'm not sure if Ford US or anyone else gets it for the US market - but are sold everywhere else!:
Many don't want a truck with:
1. A lotta weight or size. No F150s. I get why they are made, not everyone wants one.
2. An automatic or a big engine. Gas mileage with control is what many want, all is often available is gas-sucking big engines, with inefficient and less responsive transmissions (automatics).
3. High riding, chromey wannabe trucks that aren't used for 4x4 uses.
4. Short box trucks with limited use.
Many are looking for:
1. Small diesel. torquey and fuel efficient.
2. Manual transmission for better control, response, and efficiency.
3. Low to the ground, so they handle better, park better, and are easier to load.
4. Longer cargo boxes.
Many don't want a truck with:
1. A lotta weight or size. No F150s. I get why they are made, not everyone wants one.
2. An automatic or a big engine. Gas mileage with control is what many want, all is often available is gas-sucking big engines, with inefficient and less responsive transmissions (automatics).
3. High riding, chromey wannabe trucks that aren't used for 4x4 uses.
4. Short box trucks with limited use.
Many are looking for:
1. Small diesel. torquey and fuel efficient.
2. Manual transmission for better control, response, and efficiency.
3. Low to the ground, so they handle better, park better, and are easier to load.
4. Longer cargo boxes.
I've said this before in a similar thread but ford ranger owners may not be diehard ford fanatics. In fact they may quite despise most everything else ford sells and only be buying rangers out of desperation-- as the rest of the marketplace has left them. It's foolhardy to think even 1/3 of ranger tradeins will be for a stripper V6 F150. More isn't more, the wider track of even a short box F150 gets in the way. And isn't the bed like a foot higher?
That said I've had a B2000, B4000 (ranger), 2 dakotas, and a F150, and they've all been great beater trucks. You can tell the R&D went into these things.
That said I've had a B2000, B4000 (ranger), 2 dakotas, and a F150, and they've all been great beater trucks. You can tell the R&D went into these things.
Man that's awesome. Why other countries get better rides than we do.
Dodge is in a similar boat.
The Dakota is only a few hundred less than a full size Ram.
Go figure.
The Dakota is only a few hundred less than a full size Ram.
Go figure.
Originally Posted By: dwendt44
Dodge is in a similar boat.
The Dakota is only a few hundred less than a full size Ram.
Go figure.
I'm sure the size of the truck hasn't got too much to do with its cost to build. Those two truck are pretty much the same, complexity wise I think.
Once gas goes up, or the US dollar tanks some more, I think ford will bring over the Aussie Ranger. Their gas is ~$5.50/gallon so even the 10-20% difference in mileage between the Ranger and F150 starts to add up.
Dodge is in a similar boat.
The Dakota is only a few hundred less than a full size Ram.
Go figure.
I'm sure the size of the truck hasn't got too much to do with its cost to build. Those two truck are pretty much the same, complexity wise I think.
Once gas goes up, or the US dollar tanks some more, I think ford will bring over the Aussie Ranger. Their gas is ~$5.50/gallon so even the 10-20% difference in mileage between the Ranger and F150 starts to add up.
I'll trade my Ranger on a little Toyota when the time comes.
The "new" Ranger is much bigger than the old one...now 90% of the size of a F150...too similar in size for Ford to market along side the full size truck.
As everyone else is saying, we need a small diesel pickup! Something on the lines of a Ranger or even a ( Shudder!), Toy truck. My friend had to wait for 6 months to get a diesel Jeep Liberty a couple of years ago, and the only other diesel small vehicle seems to be the BMW,MB or the VW tdi. In Europe there are lots of diesel vehicles, and the days of the soot puking diesel is over. The newer ones have electronic controls, and even high pressure rail injection. Add a turbo, and you are good for at least the torque of a midsize V-8. The mileage and life expectancy of these fine vehicles is great too. We do have to get over the prejudice that Americans have with the thought of diesels. The days of soot are over. If you go to any other country from Mexico to Sweden, to Africa that is all they drive.
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