I have to take my company trucks to quick Lubes for oil changes. It's a lease plan deal with the company I work. We have Ford F-150s. Everytime I take a Ford with a 4.6 or a 5.4. They always put on the little Ford filter. I think it is the FL 400 version. It's not a motor craft but their generic equivalent. I ve had this at Texaco, Firestone and Goodyear. I guess they want to only stock one filter and that filter fits everywhere, although it's the wrong one and the bigger FL 820 s equivalent is better. Do they save some oil or money. It's just one more reason. I would never go to a quick lube.
Quick Lubes Using Little Filters
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Why not take them to the Ford Quick Lane for an oil change? No appt. needed, first come first serve. I take the Matrix there and they put on a 822 I think. Last time they didn't have those and put on an 836 I believe it was which was bigger. They even put new tires on the Camry, General RT43.
Well for lease plan vehicles at my job they want the cheap filters. For example an f150 can take a ph2500 or ph4651. The ph2500 is a promotive cheap filter and a ph4651 is the new red purolator filter which cost about a buck more.
A lot of places are trying to go universal on filters.so they can stock less part numbers
My neighbor has a Ford F-150 with the 5.4. He went to Goodyear and got the little filter. I think it's just a keep only one filter in stock. The little one fits everywhere the bigger one only when it has room. Your still getting ripped. Paying top dollar and getting really the wrong, will suffice filter.
Originally Posted By: bbhero
You ought to try out the 6607 for size ... weedeater sized. And it is recommended for my car. A 3.498L motor. Now my 3.0 Ford Fusion had a XG-2 whomping filter on it. Go figure.
My son's girlfriend has a Nissan 2.5. It takes the same oil filter as the Polaris 500 cc ATV. Funny!!
You ought to try out the 6607 for size ... weedeater sized. And it is recommended for my car. A 3.498L motor. Now my 3.0 Ford Fusion had a XG-2 whomping filter on it. Go figure.
My son's girlfriend has a Nissan 2.5. It takes the same oil filter as the Polaris 500 cc ATV. Funny!!
Originally Posted By: Chris142
A lot of places are trying to go universal on filters.so they can stock less part numbers
Now those are the places to avoid!
I do use US and German Iffylube shops for cars, truck and Ford vans that are out of warranty and have the following rules:
1/ Supply the exact oil quantity and OEM standard filter, or some more expensive Mobil or Amsoil extended distance one.
2/ Do not allow them to use the drain plug, just get the oil sucked out or use the oil change pump if fitted.
3/ Watch the fully trained lubrication specialist do the job, DO NOT DRINK THE FREE COFFEE, as that is when he, she or it, might forget to add the oil and start the engine. Post start rattlers are not unknown.
4/ Before paying your hard stolen dosh, lift the hood and make sure you have your dipstick and filler cap. If it says 0 or 5w20 on it, start yelling.
5/ Take your own UOA 200 ml sample, even if it's in a glass bottle. No need to post it off to a Lab like Blackstone unless you are an oil sniffer. The very sight of a customer taking a sample will deter a would be thief who was thinking of stealing your can of Shell or Penn Ultra 0w40 or Gen Bosch filters and using Runblack 15w20 with an Orange or black can of death.
A lot of places are trying to go universal on filters.so they can stock less part numbers
Now those are the places to avoid!
I do use US and German Iffylube shops for cars, truck and Ford vans that are out of warranty and have the following rules:
1/ Supply the exact oil quantity and OEM standard filter, or some more expensive Mobil or Amsoil extended distance one.
2/ Do not allow them to use the drain plug, just get the oil sucked out or use the oil change pump if fitted.
3/ Watch the fully trained lubrication specialist do the job, DO NOT DRINK THE FREE COFFEE, as that is when he, she or it, might forget to add the oil and start the engine. Post start rattlers are not unknown.
4/ Before paying your hard stolen dosh, lift the hood and make sure you have your dipstick and filler cap. If it says 0 or 5w20 on it, start yelling.
5/ Take your own UOA 200 ml sample, even if it's in a glass bottle. No need to post it off to a Lab like Blackstone unless you are an oil sniffer. The very sight of a customer taking a sample will deter a would be thief who was thinking of stealing your can of Shell or Penn Ultra 0w40 or Gen Bosch filters and using Runblack 15w20 with an Orange or black can of death.
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In laymans terms: a LOT of quick lubes are going cheap period. If a ram specs a PH 820 filter and I get it back with a PH 48; someone will answer for it as my boss hates that. Quickie lines don't want to stock the proper sizes. Sayjac has said that they want to "consolidate" by using a different filter if I am correct. It's a shame
Originally Posted By: car51
a LOT of quick lubes are going cheap period.
Exactly!
More media equals more contaminant holding capacity. It's not about consolidation. It's about money it costs to make that filter, and it makes perfect sense that a smaller filter with less media would cost less to manufacture.
a LOT of quick lubes are going cheap period.
Exactly!
More media equals more contaminant holding capacity. It's not about consolidation. It's about money it costs to make that filter, and it makes perfect sense that a smaller filter with less media would cost less to manufacture.
The oems are already using the smaller filters ...pretty sure both the newer ram 5.7's and ford 5.0's do..
Ford 5.0 uses a ph 500
Yep...
Shell hasn't had Purolator manufacture Quaker State QS2, Pennzoil PZ-47, and Performax PO-47 (all Fram PH2 / Motorcraft FL-820S / Mopar MO-899 size) for several years now.
They instead only manufacture and cross reference QS173 / PZ173 / PO173 (Motorcraft FL-500S size) for both size applications.
If it isn't manufactured, it can't be stocked & installed.
They instead only manufacture and cross reference QS173 / PZ173 / PO173 (Motorcraft FL-500S size) for both size applications.
If it isn't manufactured, it can't be stocked & installed.
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meant PZ-42 / PO-42 filters (not 47).
meant PZ-42 / PO-42 filters (not 47).
What you're getting is probably the FL-500S size. FL-500S will go anywhere an FL-820S will & they take advantage of that to stock less inventory & make things more simple.
The 400S isn't exactly a small filter, not that what they are doing is right, but there are a lot smaller filters out there.
Originally Posted By: Chris142
A lot of places are trying to go universal on filters.so they can stock less part numbers
Absolutely. That happens here, too. I've done promotions with quick lube places, and that's exactly what they have said. They want to consolidate their part numbers. They just keep the shorty part number of everything, where feasible. If I were to somehow go insane and take the G37 to a quick lube, that part would be okay, since the shorty is the specified filter in the first place, albeit for no sound reason based upon space around the filter mount. You could fit an FL1A in the space around there.
A lot of places are trying to go universal on filters.so they can stock less part numbers
Absolutely. That happens here, too. I've done promotions with quick lube places, and that's exactly what they have said. They want to consolidate their part numbers. They just keep the shorty part number of everything, where feasible. If I were to somehow go insane and take the G37 to a quick lube, that part would be okay, since the shorty is the specified filter in the first place, albeit for no sound reason based upon space around the filter mount. You could fit an FL1A in the space around there.
The dollar filters from rockauto for our Matrix were smaller than the Denso OEM.
So much so that my oil filter socket would not fit on the filter and spin it off. I was ticked.
I'll stick with the OEM filters once I get rid of these in my stock.
So much so that my oil filter socket would not fit on the filter and spin it off. I was ticked.
I'll stick with the OEM filters once I get rid of these in my stock.
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