wemay
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Just thought I would share. This is not from QS website but the more up to date epc.shell.com.
QSHM "Syn blend" formulated with Synthetic base stocks per MSDS
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There is that interchangeable low viscosity base oils description again. Same as RGT.
Shell's base oil descriptions are starting to sound like cheap hot dogs.
"These hot dogs are a blend of beef and/or chicken, pork, turkey and Sumkina meat.
If you have never heard of a Sumkina, you should check it out.
Shell's base oil descriptions are starting to sound like cheap hot dogs.
"These hot dogs are a blend of beef and/or chicken, pork, turkey and Sumkina meat.
If you have never heard of a Sumkina, you should check it out.
wemay
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Although I could only find Sumkina baits, I get the idea when you bring up hotdogs and their ingredients. Lol
I too want to know what that "interchangeable low viscosity base oils" means.
I too want to know what that "interchangeable low viscosity base oils" means.
You've probably have eaten it many times. Usually the dialog is like this.
"What kind of meat is in this patty? It's Sumkina meat.
My first was in the military. We had breaded veal cutlets for supper on the ship. Many of us were looking at them wondering if there was any meat at all in the patties, let alone veal. The cook told us it was Sumkina meat and just eat it.
Back on topic, I wonder if this is a base oil description that will be applied to the other oils in the Shell stable? God forbid if Pennzoil Platinum goes this route. We will never know what's in it.
"What kind of meat is in this patty? It's Sumkina meat.
My first was in the military. We had breaded veal cutlets for supper on the ship. Many of us were looking at them wondering if there was any meat at all in the patties, let alone veal. The cook told us it was Sumkina meat and just eat it.
Back on topic, I wonder if this is a base oil description that will be applied to the other oils in the Shell stable? God forbid if Pennzoil Platinum goes this route. We will never know what's in it.
In fact, here is Pennzoil Platinum 5w30. It has the same description.
https://prodepc.blob.core.windows.net/epcblobstorage/GSAP_msds_01566052.PDF
What happened to the GTL?
https://prodepc.blob.core.windows.net/epcblobstorage/GSAP_msds_01566052.PDF
What happened to the GTL?
Here is the SDS for Pennzoil Ultra 0w20. It does show GTL as the base. 60-80%.
https://prodepc.blob.core.windows.net/epcblobstorage/GSAP_msds_01656820.PDF
https://prodepc.blob.core.windows.net/epcblobstorage/GSAP_msds_01656820.PDF
wemay
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Call me a noob, I just got it.
Regarding the SOPUS MSDS, this is getting more interesting the more sheets we look at.
Regarding the SOPUS MSDS, this is getting more interesting the more sheets we look at.
wemay
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Originally Posted by PimTac
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
GTL has been in Pennzoil synthetics for years as for Quaker State supposedly lower end group III has been used. I would not lose any sleep over it.
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
GTL has been in Pennzoil synthetics for years as for Quaker State supposedly lower end group III has been used. I would not lose any sleep over it.
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by PimTac
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
GTL has been in Pennzoil synthetics for years as for Quaker State supposedly lower end group III has been used. I would not lose any sleep over it.
That is what we knew before. Now with this interchangeable low viscosity base oils description, do we really know what it is? Granted, whatever the base is, as long as it meets the certification and specs then it's good to go.
Originally Posted by PimTac
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
GTL has been in Pennzoil synthetics for years as for Quaker State supposedly lower end group III has been used. I would not lose any sleep over it.
That is what we knew before. Now with this interchangeable low viscosity base oils description, do we really know what it is? Granted, whatever the base is, as long as it meets the certification and specs then it's good to go.
I would not be surprised if SOPUS has several approved blends and just produces the most cost effective at the time of blending.
wemay
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Yes, very interesting because when you look at the Pennzoil MSDS, some viscosity say:
"Fischer Tropsch", some say "GTL" and yet others, "Interchangeable low viscosity base oil". All of the MSDS are from Sept 2018.
"Fischer Tropsch", some say "GTL" and yet others, "Interchangeable low viscosity base oil". All of the MSDS are from Sept 2018.
Originally Posted by PimTac
There is that interchangeable low viscosity base oils description again. Same as RGT.
That's a reasonable approach taken by Shell, though. After all, the purpose of the MSDS is fulfilled, and that's really all that matters.
There is that interchangeable low viscosity base oils description again. Same as RGT.
That's a reasonable approach taken by Shell, though. After all, the purpose of the MSDS is fulfilled, and that's really all that matters.
wemay
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Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by PimTac
There is that interchangeable low viscosity base oils description again. Same as RGT.
That's a reasonable approach taken by Shell, though. After all, the purpose of the MSDS is fulfilled, and that's really all that matters.
Yeah, I understand they fulfilled whatever obligations they have with respect to what's in the msds, but it still calls to question the difference mentioned. At least for us bitogers.
Originally Posted by PimTac
There is that interchangeable low viscosity base oils description again. Same as RGT.
That's a reasonable approach taken by Shell, though. After all, the purpose of the MSDS is fulfilled, and that's really all that matters.
Yeah, I understand they fulfilled whatever obligations they have with respect to what's in the msds, but it still calls to question the difference mentioned. At least for us bitogers.
Originally Posted by PimTac
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
I do wonder...bottom line is this, I think a lot of these Dexos approved 0w20's/5w30's are pretty similar. I use PP 0w20 and my car seems to consume less oil on it, but after looking at some of the specs from all these different manufacturers?? Is there enough difference either way as long as they have that Dexos sticker on the side? Aside from Valvoline, which uses the sodium instead of the moly...is there really much difference? They all have their NOACK dropped down to 9ish for the most part, they all seem to be able to meet specs. Maybe I'm wasting my time buying Pennzoil (although it's reasonable and they have that rebate going on right now)? I could just buy Super Tech or Amazon Synthetic by the looks of things.
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
I do wonder...bottom line is this, I think a lot of these Dexos approved 0w20's/5w30's are pretty similar. I use PP 0w20 and my car seems to consume less oil on it, but after looking at some of the specs from all these different manufacturers?? Is there enough difference either way as long as they have that Dexos sticker on the side? Aside from Valvoline, which uses the sodium instead of the moly...is there really much difference? They all have their NOACK dropped down to 9ish for the most part, they all seem to be able to meet specs. Maybe I'm wasting my time buying Pennzoil (although it's reasonable and they have that rebate going on right now)? I could just buy Super Tech or Amazon Synthetic by the looks of things.
wemay
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Originally Posted by Railrust
Originally Posted by PimTac
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
I do wonder...bottom line is this, I think a lot of these Dexos approved 0w20's/5w30's are pretty similar. I use PP 0w20 and my car seems to consume less oil on it, but after looking at some of the specs from all these different manufacturers?? Is there enough difference either way as long as they have that Dexos sticker on the side? Aside from Valvoline, which uses the sodium instead of the moly...is there really much difference? They all have their NOACK dropped down to 9ish for the most part, they all seem to be able to meet specs. Maybe I'm wasting my time buying Pennzoil (although it's reasonable and they have that rebate going on right now)? I could just buy Super Tech or Amazon Synthetic by the looks of things.
As an aside, Valvoline doesn't use Sodium anymore either. They use Moly, Boron and Titanium along with decreased Calcium and increased Magnesium. Sodium was a LSPI trigger.
Originally Posted by PimTac
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
I do wonder...bottom line is this, I think a lot of these Dexos approved 0w20's/5w30's are pretty similar. I use PP 0w20 and my car seems to consume less oil on it, but after looking at some of the specs from all these different manufacturers?? Is there enough difference either way as long as they have that Dexos sticker on the side? Aside from Valvoline, which uses the sodium instead of the moly...is there really much difference? They all have their NOACK dropped down to 9ish for the most part, they all seem to be able to meet specs. Maybe I'm wasting my time buying Pennzoil (although it's reasonable and they have that rebate going on right now)? I could just buy Super Tech or Amazon Synthetic by the looks of things.
As an aside, Valvoline doesn't use Sodium anymore either. They use Moly, Boron and Titanium along with decreased Calcium and increased Magnesium. Sodium was a LSPI trigger.
Originally Posted by Railrust
Originally Posted by PimTac
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
I do wonder...bottom line is this, I think a lot of these Dexos approved 0w20's/5w30's are pretty similar. I use PP 0w20 and my car seems to consume less oil on it, but after looking at some of the specs from all these different manufacturers?? Is there enough difference either way as long as they have that Dexos sticker on the side? Aside from Valvoline, which uses the sodium instead of the moly...is there really much difference? They all have their NOACK dropped down to 9ish for the most part, they all seem to be able to meet specs. Maybe I'm wasting my time buying Pennzoil (although it's reasonable and they have that rebate going on right now)? I could just buy Super Tech or Amazon Synthetic by the looks of things.
Sodium has been removed because of its association with LPSI. Sodium in motor oil is a dispersent I do not know how is became associated with friction modifiers.
Originally Posted by PimTac
I'm glad you caught it.
I am actually surprised this thread isn't going gangbusters. What does Shell use for their base oil now ? A lot of PP users might be wondering the same thing thinking they have been using GTL all this time.
I do wonder...bottom line is this, I think a lot of these Dexos approved 0w20's/5w30's are pretty similar. I use PP 0w20 and my car seems to consume less oil on it, but after looking at some of the specs from all these different manufacturers?? Is there enough difference either way as long as they have that Dexos sticker on the side? Aside from Valvoline, which uses the sodium instead of the moly...is there really much difference? They all have their NOACK dropped down to 9ish for the most part, they all seem to be able to meet specs. Maybe I'm wasting my time buying Pennzoil (although it's reasonable and they have that rebate going on right now)? I could just buy Super Tech or Amazon Synthetic by the looks of things.
Sodium has been removed because of its association with LPSI. Sodium in motor oil is a dispersent I do not know how is became associated with friction modifiers.
Originally Posted by wemay
Yeah, I understand they fulfilled whatever obligations they have with respect to what's in the msds, but it still calls to question the difference mentioned. At least for us bitogers.
Of course, and we've been obsessing about base stocks for forever and a day, and it won't switch anytime soon.
Yeah, I understand they fulfilled whatever obligations they have with respect to what's in the msds, but it still calls to question the difference mentioned. At least for us bitogers.
Of course, and we've been obsessing about base stocks for forever and a day, and it won't switch anytime soon.
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