Putting Ceramic Brake Pads on my Tundra

[1999cutiger]

I am putting new ceramic brake pads on the front of my 2011 Toyota Tundra. The original pads are not worn out, but they squeal like crazy. I am putting on ceramics to hopefully quiet the noise.

My question is this...the pads I bought (Akebono) come with a single shim per pad. Apparently, the Toyota OEM pads have 2 shims per pad, I'm not sure why. Should I reuse the oem double shims on my new pads or use the shims that came with the new pads? Thanks for your help...

 

[EricF]

the OE factory pads are ceramic.

the squeal is probably caused by lack of bedding. Kinda to late to fix that now.
it's still under warranty (or should be), I'd bring it back to toyota and make them eat it.

as for the akebono pads, I would use the shim that comes with the akebono.. make sure you lubricate the slide points. I guarentee the OE pads have none.

 

[beast3300]

You can reuse the factory shims if you want. They will snap into the new pads. Your sound could be from humidity or even brake dust.

 

[1999cutiger]

Thanks for your replies...the wierd thing is they only squeal when cold and in reverse. They make no noise while driving forward.

The squeal they give off in the morning will curl your hair.

 

[1999cutiger]

Originally Posted By: EricF
the OE factory pads are ceramic.

the squeal is probably caused by lack of bedding. Kinda to late to fix that now.
it's still under warranty (or should be), I'd bring it back to toyota and make them eat it.

as for the akebono pads, I would use the shim that comes with the akebono.. make sure you lubricate the slide points. I guarentee the OE pads have none.


I have not done brakes before, but I have a copy of the Toyota shop manual instructions. Can you tell me more about the "slide points"? I don't know what that means...I was planning on lubing the entire inside surface of the shim with CRC grease. Should this work?

 

[EricF]

slide points are located where metal to metal contact moves.
so the ears of the brake pads where they slide on the caliper clips, I usually put some lube on the piston ring where it meets the brake pad. also put some on the backside of the outer pads where they get held back.
Also the guide pins/mounting pins/caliper bolt slide pins. lube those too.

And yeah, you can use the toyota twin shims if you wanted. I usually don't use the old stuff unless I messed up the new stuff.
the squeal when cold could easily be the metals being cold.

 

[JHZR2]

Squeal on a brand new truck??!? Warranty complaint would be my route. Wear item or not, this shouldn't happen.

 

[1999cutiger]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Squeal on a brand new truck??!? Warranty complaint would be my route. Wear item or not, this shouldn't happen.


I agree completely, but the dealership is not close to where I live and I would rather spend a little of my time and money to make it right and avoid the whole "we were not able to duplicate the noise", as they waste a bunch of my time, gas, and keep my truck for three days.

 

[mechanicx]

Sometimes cleaning the pads and rotors with brake cleaner and applying grease to the metal contact areas will eliminate squealing. That and lightly using your brakes over time until they wear in smoothly. There's also CRC sealant that is for quieting squealing that you use on the back of pads like you would grease. I don't like to use it though and prefer to use grease like the OE recommends.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: 1999cutiger
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Squeal on a brand new truck??!? Warranty complaint would be my route. Wear item or not, this shouldn't happen.


I agree completely, but the dealership is not close to where I live and I would rather spend a little of my time and money to make it right and avoid the whole "we were not able to duplicate the noise", as they waste a bunch of my time, gas, and keep my truck for three days.


I thought people buy toyota because they are "quality". This saddens me.

 

[440Magnum]

Sounds like one of those issues that can be fixed by turning up the radio to me.

 

[whip]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Sounds like one of those issues that can be fixed by turning up the radio to me.


Or don't go back wards............

 

[RH+G]

If i can guess it probably happens for the first couple of reverse stops when cold and then doesnt happen anymore. It happens on alot of new cars actually. Its the pads and rotors they use. Some people never notice it cause they dont back up on first drive.

 

[wiswind]

I recently installed Akebono pads on my Toyota Sienna.
The shims on the Akebono pads are already installed.....integral to the pad as show in this picture



I have read some posts that the pads that you get from the TOYOTA dealer are coming this way also.

I also bought a "disk brake hardware kit" for my vehicle.....the only thing in the kit that I needed was new slidder "clips"
Each of the 4 clips is different on each side (4 different clips for each side of the vehicle).
You can see the clips installed in these 2 pictures of the passenger side bracket.
You will put some lubricatnt onto these clips as this is what the pad rides on.





Note how the pads seat into the clips.....and will slide on these clips.
Also note that the little tab that sticks out on the clips point AWAY from the rotor.



I cleaned and re-lubed the slider pins. I used "Sil-Glyde" lubricant.
If the pins are worn, you can buy new ones....They are NOT part of the "disk brake hardware kit", you have to purchase them separately. On some sites, I had to look under "caliper bolt" to find the slider pin.



The rubber boot for the caliper slider pin is also sold separately.
One note that I read, when you install the greased slider pins, don't push all the air out such that the slider pin is sucked all the way to 1 side.....you want it kind of not pushing or pulling the caliper to one side.
I don't know if this is important over time or not....just something that I read.
Also. you want to lubricate the caliper piston to shim (back of pad)contact point as well as the caliper bracket to pad shim contact point.
You want enough lubricant to do the job, but not so much that is will squish out and get onto the rotor or pad friction surfaces.

On a 2011, the caliper pins and the slidder clips should still be fine....if they are not...then that would be something that the dealership should fix for free.
The slidder pins, and even the clips were fine on my 8 year old Sienna....but I installed new clips anyhow.
The pads had been replaced at a shop 1 time before I got the vehicle.....single shim (though the repair manual shows 2) and I just put the pads in as they came out of the box. My brakes were quite before....and are still quiet.

Now, rear DRUM brakes.......for the 2003 Sienna, there was a TSB out for sqweal sound that was solved UNDER WARANTY for free if a customer brought the vehicle in......the solution was to go to a different, NON RIBBED (smooth around the outside) brake drum that eliminated the harmonic that could happen and cause the noise.