PU cleans better than M1.
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Originally Posted By: Bayman
How will we settle this debate?
What debate? People are going to use marketing claims to fit whatever bias they have, for or against any brand. The Mobil fan boys will feign righteous indignation, while then ignoring the obvious-that Mobil does the same thing (comparing itself to an unnamed "leading synthetic").
Personally, I don't get it. It's marketing, directed to people who make their decisions based on how the bottle looks on the shelf. Why people get upset about oil company marketing is beyond me. ALL companies get bashed for their marketing approach by people on here. Newsflash: we aren't the target audience.
How will we settle this debate?
What debate? People are going to use marketing claims to fit whatever bias they have, for or against any brand. The Mobil fan boys will feign righteous indignation, while then ignoring the obvious-that Mobil does the same thing (comparing itself to an unnamed "leading synthetic").
Personally, I don't get it. It's marketing, directed to people who make their decisions based on how the bottle looks on the shelf. Why people get upset about oil company marketing is beyond me. ALL companies get bashed for their marketing approach by people on here. Newsflash: we aren't the target audience.
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: Bayman
How will we settle this debate?
What debate? People are going to use marketing claims to fit whatever bias they have, for or against any brand. The Mobil fan boys will feign righteous indignation, while then ignoring the obvious-that Mobil does the same thing (comparing itself to an unnamed "leading synthetic").
Personally, I don't get it. It's marketing, directed to people who make their decisions based on how the bottle looks on the shelf. Why people get upset about oil company marketing is beyond me. ALL companies get bashed for their marketing approach by people on here. Newsflash: we aren't the target audience.
We have Mobil fan boys, on this board!
Originally Posted By: Bayman
How will we settle this debate?
What debate? People are going to use marketing claims to fit whatever bias they have, for or against any brand. The Mobil fan boys will feign righteous indignation, while then ignoring the obvious-that Mobil does the same thing (comparing itself to an unnamed "leading synthetic").
Personally, I don't get it. It's marketing, directed to people who make their decisions based on how the bottle looks on the shelf. Why people get upset about oil company marketing is beyond me. ALL companies get bashed for their marketing approach by people on here. Newsflash: we aren't the target audience.
We have Mobil fan boys, on this board!
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Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: Bayman
How will we settle this debate?
What debate? People are going to use marketing claims to fit whatever bias they have, for or against any brand. The Mobil fan boys will feign righteous indignation, while then ignoring the obvious-that Mobil does the same thing (comparing itself to an unnamed "leading synthetic").
Personally, I don't get it. It's marketing, directed to people who make their decisions based on how the bottle looks on the shelf. Why people get upset about oil company marketing is beyond me. ALL companies get bashed for their marketing approach by people on here. Newsflash: we aren't the target audience.
At least Mobil posted ALL the pistons, LOL!
Originally Posted By: Bayman
How will we settle this debate?
What debate? People are going to use marketing claims to fit whatever bias they have, for or against any brand. The Mobil fan boys will feign righteous indignation, while then ignoring the obvious-that Mobil does the same thing (comparing itself to an unnamed "leading synthetic").
Personally, I don't get it. It's marketing, directed to people who make their decisions based on how the bottle looks on the shelf. Why people get upset about oil company marketing is beyond me. ALL companies get bashed for their marketing approach by people on here. Newsflash: we aren't the target audience.
At least Mobil posted ALL the pistons, LOL!
but, how do we know all the M1 pistons are from the same run? They could be the best 6 out of 20 different test's, just like the one PU piston could be the best looking one out of 40 test's.....
no one on this site can or will know for sure.
no one on this site can or will know for sure.
I know how to end this debate between MB-1 and PU! Their EQUALLY Superior oils! take your pick, flip a coin, ITS ALL GOOD!
(right tig?)
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
I don't know how a company can make these kinds of claims. Unless they have 2 identical motors with identical sludge running under identical conditions it's tough to prove one is better than the other.
I would like to believe PU cleans better because I am not really a mobil fan. I am sure it works great though. Alot of testing has gone into it I'm sure.
The pistons are from a Sequence III standard engine test, which means they are identical motors run under identical conditions with all variables carefully controlled.
Keep in mind that Pennzoil is not claiming that PU cleans dirty engines - they are claiming that it keeps engines clean, that is, prevents the formation of deposits. The Sequence III test starts with new clean pistons, and they are saying that PU keeps the pistons clean better than M1.
Their claim may be technically valid, but I'm not sure that very clean pistons versus slight more very clean pistons really matters much. Just standard marketing - best way to gain market share is to target the market leader.
Tom NJ
I don't know how a company can make these kinds of claims. Unless they have 2 identical motors with identical sludge running under identical conditions it's tough to prove one is better than the other.
I would like to believe PU cleans better because I am not really a mobil fan. I am sure it works great though. Alot of testing has gone into it I'm sure.
The pistons are from a Sequence III standard engine test, which means they are identical motors run under identical conditions with all variables carefully controlled.
Keep in mind that Pennzoil is not claiming that PU cleans dirty engines - they are claiming that it keeps engines clean, that is, prevents the formation of deposits. The Sequence III test starts with new clean pistons, and they are saying that PU keeps the pistons clean better than M1.
Their claim may be technically valid, but I'm not sure that very clean pistons versus slight more very clean pistons really matters much. Just standard marketing - best way to gain market share is to target the market leader.
Tom NJ
Both did a fine job.
If that Pennzoil piston was an average sample, would that produce anything tangible over Mobil One in terms of benefits? Would the P. engine experience fewer problems over the life course? Hardly.
But I'd hope there was not any dishonesty in the picture-run by them, and I'd be disappointed in the cut-throat leadership ethics presented by any corporation that did so.
If I worked for them, it would incite me to fight their battles even more, and to the bitter end. / sarcasm/
If that Pennzoil piston was an average sample, would that produce anything tangible over Mobil One in terms of benefits? Would the P. engine experience fewer problems over the life course? Hardly.
But I'd hope there was not any dishonesty in the picture-run by them, and I'd be disappointed in the cut-throat leadership ethics presented by any corporation that did so.
If I worked for them, it would incite me to fight their battles even more, and to the bitter end. / sarcasm/
I can see Pennzoil's marketing team is successful. A few years back IIRC team Mobil had done a good job with their "clean" marketing, and holding up to temp extremes. At least the marketing people are earning their keep.
Originally Posted By: Bayman
How will we settle this debate?
The same way we settled Ford vs Chevy vs. Dodge.... oh yeah, umm... lemme think...
OK, the same way we settled foreign vs. domestic.... oh wait...
Maybe the same way we settled conventional vs. synthetic... oh shoot....
Nevermind.
How will we settle this debate?
The same way we settled Ford vs Chevy vs. Dodge.... oh yeah, umm... lemme think...
OK, the same way we settled foreign vs. domestic.... oh wait...
Maybe the same way we settled conventional vs. synthetic... oh shoot....
Nevermind.
Originally Posted By: lexus114
I know how to end this debate between MB-1 and PU! Their EQUALLY Superior oils! take your pick, flip a coin, ITS ALL GOOD!
(right tig?)
DITTO!
I know how to end this debate between MB-1 and PU! Their EQUALLY Superior oils! take your pick, flip a coin, ITS ALL GOOD!
DITTO!
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Capa
1) not a fair apples to apples comparison since essentially PP=M1 and PU=Mobil EP.
There's more of an issue than that, IMO. Pennzoil chose not to show all 6 pistons from sequence IIIG as Mobil 1 did.
Now look at the M1 pic, compare the #1 piston (2nd column, 1st row) to the #5 piston (1st column, 2nd row).
Which piston would pick for an advertisement that shows only one piston?
Seems like we've been here before. Only Mobil Europe (where synthetic means not group III) is putting forth these pictures of these pistons/cleanliness (WPD) of SeqIIIG. Mobil 1 USA does not make this same claim. The Mobil 1 USA site only talks about cleaning up sludge and does not mention piston deposits of the Sequence IIIG nor displays the pistons posted earlier in this thread.
It appears from the Mobil 1 USA site, that the M1 marketing claims of cleanliness are on par with Pennzoil Platinum.
Originally Posted By: Capa
1) not a fair apples to apples comparison since essentially PP=M1 and PU=Mobil EP.
There's more of an issue than that, IMO. Pennzoil chose not to show all 6 pistons from sequence IIIG as Mobil 1 did.
Now look at the M1 pic, compare the #1 piston (2nd column, 1st row) to the #5 piston (1st column, 2nd row).
Which piston would pick for an advertisement that shows only one piston?
Seems like we've been here before. Only Mobil Europe (where synthetic means not group III) is putting forth these pictures of these pistons/cleanliness (WPD) of SeqIIIG. Mobil 1 USA does not make this same claim. The Mobil 1 USA site only talks about cleaning up sludge and does not mention piston deposits of the Sequence IIIG nor displays the pistons posted earlier in this thread.
It appears from the Mobil 1 USA site, that the M1 marketing claims of cleanliness are on par with Pennzoil Platinum.
I don't see a debate here. All I see is a bunch of guys desperately trying to convince themselves (although, on the surface it appears like they are trying to convince others) that their favorite oil is better based on some marketing rubbish
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I don't see a debate here. All I see is a bunch of guys desperately trying to convince themselves (although, on the surface it appears like they are trying to convince others) that their favorite oil is better based on some marketing rubbish
I don't see a debate here. All I see is a bunch of guys desperately trying to convince themselves (although, on the surface it appears like they are trying to convince others) that their favorite oil is better based on some marketing rubbish
Originally Posted By: buster
When Mobil loses their factory fill contract with some of the world's finest engine builders and is no longer an industry leader in base oil and additive technology, maybe then I'll listen. Until then....
Who other than GM has Mobil been factory fill for? IF only GM then doesn't it make it Ferrari vs GM? lol
When Mobil loses their factory fill contract with some of the world's finest engine builders and is no longer an industry leader in base oil and additive technology, maybe then I'll listen. Until then....
Who other than GM has Mobil been factory fill for? IF only GM then doesn't it make it Ferrari vs GM? lol
Originally Posted By: modularv8
Seems like we've been here before. Only Mobil Europe (where synthetic means not group III) is putting forth these pictures of these pistons/cleanliness (WPD) of SeqIIIG. Mobil 1 USA does not make this same claim.
Yes, it does seem like we've been here before.
Group III = synthetic everywhere except Germany, Mobil 1's formulations appear to be global (at least with regard to the base oils) with adoption of group III+ Visom base stock occurring even in Germany.
Seems like we've been here before. Only Mobil Europe (where synthetic means not group III) is putting forth these pictures of these pistons/cleanliness (WPD) of SeqIIIG. Mobil 1 USA does not make this same claim.
Yes, it does seem like we've been here before.
Group III = synthetic everywhere except Germany, Mobil 1's formulations appear to be global (at least with regard to the base oils) with adoption of group III+ Visom base stock occurring even in Germany.
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Originally Posted By: Gwhaley262
Originally Posted By: buster
When Mobil loses their factory fill contract with some of the world's finest engine builders and is no longer an industry leader in base oil and additive technology, maybe then I'll listen. Until then....
Who other than GM has Mobil been factory fill for? IF only GM then doesn't it make it Ferrari vs GM? lol
Porsche and Mercedes both come to mind. They have also been the factory fill for all of the Mopar SRT vehicles until the Fiat takeover.
They worked with Honda to develop the HTO-06 high-heat turbo spec'.
They are one of the few oils with the Nissan GTR approval.
Originally Posted By: buster
When Mobil loses their factory fill contract with some of the world's finest engine builders and is no longer an industry leader in base oil and additive technology, maybe then I'll listen. Until then....
Who other than GM has Mobil been factory fill for? IF only GM then doesn't it make it Ferrari vs GM? lol
Porsche and Mercedes both come to mind. They have also been the factory fill for all of the Mopar SRT vehicles until the Fiat takeover.
They worked with Honda to develop the HTO-06 high-heat turbo spec'.
They are one of the few oils with the Nissan GTR approval.
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