PU cleans better than M1.

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Originally Posted By: tig1
It does?????


Tell me how clean can your engine truly get..If you run any synthetic and change it while there is still some TBN to be had, your engine should stay fairly clean with any of the oils. Shell/Sopus and others are relentless against Mobil 1.
 
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
I used Syntec for years and had this varnish on my dipstick. I switched to Mobil 1 for 2 years and it was still on there, then I switched to PP. PP made my dipstick look like new and also informed me that I need to replace the valve cover gaskets when it cleaned that area out!


I have never had any varnish on any dipstick of any car I ever owned. Do you suppose it is because I regularly check my oil and wipe my dipstick each time?
 
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
This is why I'm putting it in my 37k mile Saturn SL2 that had 20 oil changes in 33k miles at the dealer!

I'll keep those rings uncoked, dog-gone it.
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does your sl2 burns any oil ? and how many miles right now ?
 
Originally Posted By: buster
How about making it fair and use EP. Oh, and update your PDS's.


+2 There was a thread on this exact subject like a week ago. I'll summarize some of those points:

1) not a fair apples to apples comparison since essentially PP=M1 and PU=Mobil EP.
2) can you actually trust the company whose PDS are full of mistakes.
3) Sopus is desperate because PU has been a sales nightmare. No one is buying the "more clean" advertising---any good oil cleans.
 
Originally Posted By: Capa
1) not a fair apples to apples comparison since essentially PP=M1 and PU=Mobil EP.


There's more of an issue than that, IMO. Pennzoil chose not to show all 6 pistons from sequence IIIG as Mobil 1 did.

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Now look at the M1 pic, compare the #1 piston (2nd column, 1st row) to the #5 piston (1st column, 2nd row).

Which piston would pick for an advertisement that shows only one piston?
 
Originally Posted By: sirgerman
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
This is why I'm putting it in my 37k mile Saturn SL2 that had 20 oil changes in 33k miles at the dealer!

I'll keep those rings uncoked, dog-gone it.
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does your sl2 burns any oil ? and how many miles right now ?


Does not burn oil!! Just bought from an 89 year old who changed oil & filter 20 times in 33k miles at Saturn. Has 37k right now.

Tomorrow, in goes the PU for the forseeable future. My goal is to take this "find" and ensure (prove) it won't burn oil!
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Originally Posted By: Topo
Originally Posted By: tig1
It does?????


Tell me how clean can your engine truly get..If you run any synthetic and change it while there is still some TBN to be had, your engine should stay fairly clean with any of the oils. Shell/Sopus and others are relentless against Mobil 1.

Well they have to be. Mobil has most of the general public brainwashed into thinking they make the best product out there. Sure they make a competitive product for each price point however what the general public doesn't know is mobil is constantly changing their formula to make it cheaper and still meet their spec's.
The whole synthetic hype and how loosely it's thrown around is case and point. A group 3 should not be considered synthetic. Only in America does that fly. And since group 3s are allowed to be called synthetic mobil re-formulated all of their products because it was cheaper,and could still be branded synthetic. O don't know why anyone would even support a company that consistently pulls the wool over the consumers eyes simply because they can.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Topo
Originally Posted By: tig1
It does?????


Tell me how clean can your engine truly get..If you run any synthetic and change it while there is still some TBN to be had, your engine should stay fairly clean with any of the oils. Shell/Sopus and others are relentless against Mobil 1.

Well they have to be. Mobil has most of the general public brainwashed into thinking they make the best product out there. Sure they make a competitive product for each price point however what the general public doesn't know is mobil is constantly changing their formula to make it cheaper and still meet their spec's.
The whole synthetic hype and how loosely it's thrown around is case and point. A group 3 should not be considered synthetic. Only outside of Germany does that fly. And since group 3s are allowed to be called synthetic mobil re-formulated a few of their products because it was cheaper, could meet all of their intended performance specs and could still be branded synthetic. O don't know why anyone would even support a company that consistently pulls the wool over the consumers eyes simply because they can.


Fixed that for you.
 
Originally Posted By: subiedriver
The piston in the first column, 2nd row from Mobil 1 looks just as good as the Ultra piston displayed on their ad.



Shhhhhh, don't tell anyone
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Originally Posted By: subiedriver
The piston in the first column, 2nd row from Mobil 1 looks just as good as the Ultra piston displayed on their ad.


I agree, which makes pulling one piston out of a set of 6 for an advertisement pic pretty questionable, no?
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: subiedriver
The piston in the first column, 2nd row from Mobil 1 looks just as good as the Ultra piston displayed on their ad.


I agree, which makes pulling one piston out of a set of 6 for an advertisement pic pretty questionable, no?


Now Ben, don't bring common sense into this thread! It's a bloody super power!

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Originally Posted By: Gwhaley262
Pennzoil has posted photographic "evidence" that their PU 5w30 cleans better than M1. Thats interesting.
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My Aunt has 200,000 miles on her vehicle and she has been using Mobil 1 since 3000 miles and her Valvetrain is spotless, guess she should start using PU.
 
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