PP vs Synpower

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Originally Posted By: unDummy
Whichever is on sale!!!!

With API SN/GF5, either will serve you fine for almost any factory recommended OCI or OLM.

With extended OCI, and definitely prior to SN/GF5, I would've leaned on PP. Synpower just doesn't seem to be blended stout enough for the extended negligent OCI.

Flip a coin.
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The 7% NOACK on the SynPower I believe is only for the 10w30 version, which it seems most oil's 10w30 have a lower NOACK than their 5w30's, for what it's worth.

I've ran both, both are great, but I will agree with others the SynPower seems smoother/quieter. It also did not darken nearly as fast. Though this being good or bad is up for debate. There is no debate though that both put up good UOA's... the SynPower has some really great ones for less than 8k mile runs I would go with it, over that and definitely would go with the PP as it has a higher TBN... though retention comes into play, PP has good retention as well.
 
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
Originally Posted By: Striker
Let's talk about these two oils and see what the pro's/con's are on each of these.

PLEASE don't include "whichever one is on sale wins" comments. I truthfully don't care much about the sales. I'd rather but the better fluid in there.

I've been recommended Synpower over PP by a member on here for the specific motor I have.
OMG...one of these questions again
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No con's, all pro's with both oils. Both will serve you well, both will not cause your motor to lock up or fail, both will keep your engine clean, both will be able to extend your oci's



boooo!!! DIFFERENT OILS ALL TOGETHER. im no triboligist but im sure each is tailored to specific purposes
lol, but is anything I said above not true. Tailored for specific purposes??? They are tailored to provide sufficient lubrication and keep your engine clean. So once again, is anything I previously stated wrong? Not trying to start a [censored] match, different as they MAY be, will both of the oils listed above NOT provide what I said in my original post?


i have both in my stash because im a fan of both. but im sure if you looked at the chemical make up one would be better in some areas than the other and so forth.

this is bitog for cryin out loud, i think discussing the differences in chemical make up of oils would be a good thing. yet from what i can tell it is discouraged now by commits like what ever is on sale or flip a coin. in the old threads there was alot on chemical make up and things of that sort... but i think alot of the old school bitogers have left or just keep their wisdom to their selves because of what new less educated members (like myself) say. example the "what pennzoil says about blending thread" senior members with way more oil knowledge than i can fathom, posted scientific replies to the thread and were contradicted with stuff like "i been doin it fur years" and other LAM ON replies. i personally found it disrespectful but thats a different thread altogether
 
Used Snypower 5w30 and now PU 5w30 in my 2000 Toyo. Landcruiser - no discernible difference, and I would contest (apparently, I'm in the minority) that Synpower is quieter, it wasn't. And, it is the only oil out of the last 5 that my LC has burned. The Synpower is in my wife's 2002 RX 300 and doing fine, but I'm trying PU in it next.
 
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That is interesting because the 5-30 is suppose to have a noack of 7% which makes you think if it was just listed less that 15% what would the oil do???
Originally Posted By: splacek
Used Snypower 5w30 and now PU 5w30 in my 2000 Toyo. Landcruiser - no discernible difference, and I would contest (apparently, I'm in the minority) that Synpower is quieter, it wasn't. And, it is the only oil out of the last 5 that my LC has burned. The Synpower is in my wife's 2002 RX 300 and doing fine, but I'm trying PU in it next.
 
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
That is interesting because the 5-30 is suppose to have a noack of 7% which makes you think if it was just listed less that 15% what would the oil do???
Originally Posted By: splacek
Used Snypower 5w30 and now PU 5w30 in my 2000 Toyo. Landcruiser - no discernible difference, and I would contest (apparently, I'm in the minority) that Synpower is quieter, it wasn't. And, it is the only oil out of the last 5 that my LC has burned. The Synpower is in my wife's 2002 RX 300 and doing fine, but I'm trying PU in it next.


Are you talking about the Amsoil test...or something else? I disregard tests, they are facts that only get in the way of my theories...kidding. I can say from real-world experience w/ a vehicle that is regarded as easy on oil (large sump and cooler), the M1 0w-40, FS 5w30, Syntec 5w30, PU 5w30 didn't burn at all...only the Synpower 5w30 did. Take it for what it's worth.
 
Im not a fan of VSP because of the $25 price for an oil without moly, according to the SM VOA's and UOA's Ive seen. I havent seen anything for SN yet.
 
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Im not a fan of VSP because of the $25 price for an oil without moly, according to the SM VOA's and UOA's Ive seen. I havent seen anything for SN yet.


well lets just talk about some sm oils for a sec. exxon superflo, warren, formula shell-all economy oils with moly.
valvoline, gtx, pyb,- premium oils with no moly.
from what i can tell pyb didnt get moly until it went SN. i would look at the over all performance of an oil vs one ingredient.

http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresults3a.html
 
Also remember another difference is the 7% noack in the 5-30. If this is true, if, then that is a indication of a great baseoil at a very good price.
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
The only definitive differences are the add pack and starting TBN. Synpower starts out closer to 8 while PP is closer to 12, if I remember right.

This says nothing about TBN retention. There isn't enough people out there pushing Synpower to see what it can do to really compare the two for 10k+ type OCIs.

I think there is more than enough evidence to say if you are going to run 7,500mi OCIs or shorter, you'd be wasting money if you didn't buy the cheaper of the two.
 
Originally Posted By: Koz1
2000 Caravan 3.0 with 171,000 kms.
currently 10w30 Valvoline Synpower, she is quiet and prrs along.



Thats the Mitsubishi motor isnt it?
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: Koz1
2000 Caravan 3.0 with 171,000 kms.
currently 10w30 Valvoline Synpower, she is quiet and prrs along.



Thats the Mitsubishi motor isnt it?


Not the OP but yes, I believe you are correct. Awesome motor.
 
Yes it is.
No rebuild yet, Im not even sure if it needs one.
Ill have to Google that later.
 
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different engines work well with different oils... sometimes. So, moral of the story is try both for a few OCI with UOA and then decide which oil you think held up better and stick with it.
 
Originally Posted By: Striker
Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: Koz1
2000 Caravan 3.0 with 171,000 kms.
currently 10w30 Valvoline Synpower, she is quiet and prrs along.



Thats the Mitsubishi motor isnt it?


Not the OP but yes, I believe you are correct. Awesome motor.



i have one too, the 6G72, i've found it runs best on castrol edge, then pennzoil platinum.
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Im not a fan of VSP because of the $25 price for an oil without moly, according to the SM VOA's and UOA's Ive seen. I havent seen anything for SN yet.


well lets just talk about some sm oils for a sec. exxon superflo, warren, formula shell-all economy oils with moly.
valvoline, gtx, pyb,- premium oils with no moly.
from what i can tell pyb didnt get moly until it went SN. i would look at the over all performance of an oil vs one ingredient.

http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresults3a.html

You make a good point. But PP has got it all, so Pennzoil gives me what I want and a decent price. I sure like my oils to include moly vs not for the same money.
 
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Im not a fan of VSP because of the $25 price for an oil without moly, according to the SM VOA's and UOA's Ive seen. I havent seen anything for SN yet.


well lets just talk about some sm oils for a sec. exxon superflo, warren, formula shell-all economy oils with moly.
valvoline, gtx, pyb,- premium oils with no moly.
from what i can tell pyb didnt get moly until it went SN. i would look at the over all performance of an oil vs one ingredient.

http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresults3a.html

You make a good point. But PP has got it all, so Pennzoil gives me what I want and a decent price. I sure like my oils to include moly vs not for the same money.


im with ya bro! i love PP and PU!! but i have alot of valvoline too. i think its a very high quality product like Pennzoil, but i have no idea if one out performs the other. i really cant see anything out cleaning PU but im pretty sure synpower is a highly stabil tough product, with group III, pao, and esters from what i have read in the old posts. but im not sure, i wish someone would enlighten us!!!
 
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