PP putting pressure on M1

[BradC]

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plus, penz never goes on sale here. canadian tire has a twice a year sale on mobil1, where the give you a 4.4L jug plus a free 1 litre bottle for $29.99 and thats as cheap as any synth comes around here

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That is incorrect. Canadian Tire does have sales on Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 and 10w30 on a somewhat regular basis.

The last time PP was on sale at CT, I got two 4.7L/5qt jugs for $24.99 each.

 

[SubLGT]

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Was it ever determined why PP went from Group V to Group III ? Was there a problem with the Group V or was it a cost thing ?

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I suspect a seal compatability problem with the eop. (shrug)

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If this was true, the oil would not have been able to get API certification, would it? Just asking.

 

[glenncof]

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First, the group III that Pennzoil is using, it's XHVI base stock, is known to be a high performing group III base stock.

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This is what I believe. Shell Helix Ultra. Not all GrpIII are alike and I like this the best when studying severe spec's.

It's not PAO and I may want that for a turbo application or crazy drain intervals (spec'd for some BMW-LL, MB, or VW/Audi). M1 "0W40 European" is a stand out here.

BUT, the aggressive marketing bringing sale/rebate prices have brought PP down to a point where cost and performance effective.

 

[harrydog]

Where is M1 0w40 European sold? I don't recall ever seeing it on the shelf of any store.

 

[BrianWC]

My Wal-Mart DID carry it but clearanced it to make way for the HM stuff. My local Autozone always has it.

 

[Eddie]

My WM has lowered the price of M1 5w&10w30 and EP oil to PP price or $19.xx/5quart jug.

 

[glenncof]

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Where is M1 0w40 European sold?

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Walmart for $6/qt. I've seen no 5 qt jugs (that keeps price up).