PP basestock?

[fdcg27]

I did try searching this, both here and Google, with no result.
Does PP use the same slack wax derived XHVI basestock as Rotella?
What about the QS branded syns?
Just curious, and not tying to start a Grp III vs Grp IV debate.
I have used both PP and QS syn, with apparently good results.
Johnny would likely be the best source for this info, if he is on board at the moment.

 

[Scienceman]

this will [censored] johnny off. just a few hours ago there was a debate here about pennzoil's group.

who cares? its a great oil!

 

[fdcg27]

I doubt that Johnny will be whatever offed by an honest question.

 

[JohnBrowning]

last I heard when they switched from PAO to what they are useing now they went to a Heinz 57 blend of base stocks. Like progress says "It's in their"!!!LOL I can tell you this much if ithas any PAO or Ester's they are in low amounts! You can tell that from it's number's! Like wise look at the Amsoil testing!It also has a weak additive package on purpose! They really do not want you doing long drains so they build the oil to fail early and do not even mention extended drains. I like their adaptive VII's and I think they have a good chemistry just not enough off it basically. In a trade publication the CEO for Penzoil repeated said that they are against extended drains because it cuts into profit margins. Keep in mind they own Jiffy Lube and want you to come in every 3000 so their company push's that 3000 number hard. So if you look at PP even though it does good at keeping wear numbers in check and is a clean formula in most applications I have seen on this sit by 5000-7000 miles the TBN is gone in a few cases even sooner then that! I have only seen maybe two reports that went farther then that and still had any tbn left and I even comminted on it. So even though I have used PP due to price point and BOGO sales I really do not consider it when thinking about synthetics because it can not do 10K or further unless you have to top off often! TO me any synthetic that cannot do at least 10K in most applications is really not much of a synthetic since their are dino oils that can do this just fine!

 

[Bryanccfshr]

I have no doubt PP 5w20 can do 10k miles in my applications. The detergent package is robust and the TBN retention is great.

Here is the first interval that was 5qts PP5w20 and a qt og QS 5w20(HAD TO GET RID OF IT SOMEHOW).

The current interval is nearing 7500 with PP5w20 and it has included several hundred mile trips with a very heavy trailer and plenty of in town driving on top of the easy long trips.

Here was my UOA after this oil change with the more severe duty if my tbn is greater than 2 I will puch to 10k.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1539543

 

[fdcg27]

I agree that PP is very good stuff, which is why I have been thrilled to have picked up a nice inventory of it quite cheaply.
I may have worded my orginal question badly.
We all know that PP is primarily a Grp III product, with maybe some IV or V in some weights.
What I was wondering was whether the Grp III basestock is the same one used for Rotella syn?
I ask this because this is a very good basestock, which may help to explain, along with the additive package, the good UOAs one sees consistently with PP.
What about the Quaker State syn oils?
I know that they use a different additive package than PP, but what is used as a basestock?
What I was trying to find out was whether SOPUS used its XHVI basestock in these oils.
I was not disparaging PP in any way, merely inquiring as to whether the basetock was the same as that used in Rotella syn products.

 

[vxcalais]

From what i know they do not. Only Shell use the excellent XHVI base stock in their own oils, Shell Helix Ultra and plus. I have not seen a MSDS here for Pennzoil with XHVI by Shell even though its made by them. People used to say that Helix Ultra and Pennzoil Platinum were the same, but the MSDS never pointed to it. Some of the other oils are exactly the same, but not with the XHVI.

 

[vxcalais]

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140002098029_1CE4.pdf

https://www.cww.shell.com/wps/gpc/retrie...0&format=09

Only refers to highly refined base stocks and slightly thicker than Helix Ultra

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003298473_200909131647.pdf

https://www.cww.shell.com/wps/gpc/retrie...7&format=09 Hence the reference to the Slack Wax.

I have never seen this for Pennzoil products here. Even Shells Semi synths use the Slack wax.

 

[DieselTech]

What is slack wax?

 

[jmac]

It is a wax that comes from the bottom of a fuels hydro-processor.
Since the feeds have to be relatively pure going in, it is different from the tars that come from the bottom of a distillation tower.

 

[Johnny]

The European versions of Platinum use the XHVI base stocks but the U.S. versions do not.

 

[fdcg27]

Thank you,sir.
That was what I wnated to know.
Idle curiosity.

 

[vxcalais]

Originally Posted By: DieselTech
What is slack wax?


Slack wax derived base stock has the right to be called a real synthetic over the gp3 as it is derived from something other than the mineral oil. PAO is also derived from something other, yet still related to mineral oil. Correct me if i am wrong ???

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: vxcalais

PAO is also derived from something other, yet still related to mineral oil. Correct me if i am wrong ???


^^I read something very similar to that on one of XOM`s (M1`s)pages awhile back. There was a synthetic oil question (on the FAQ maybe?) and they answered back saying all synthetic oils begin with some form of crude. I`ve searched all over the place,but I can`t remember where I found it.