Pour point in extreme winter temps

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Hello
I'd like to know the pour points on mobil 1 5w-20, AFE 0w-20,AFE 0w-30,PP 5w-20,qsud 5w-20,German castrol 0w30 and royal purple euro 5w30 please.
I tried the search function and it's an utter waste of time.

Thanks in advance.
 
If you go to mobile website the pds are pretty easy to find. Good luck on the Castrol and pennzoil ones.
 
MRV is more useful than pour point FWIW
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Just keep in mind that MRV can DOUBLE in 5 degrees. And 5wXX oils are tested at -35C, whilst the 0wXX oils are tested at -40C.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
MRV is more useful than pour point FWIW
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Just keep in mind that MRV can DOUBLE in 5 degrees. And 5wXX oils are tested at -35C, whilst the 0wXX oils are tested at -40C.


Maybe that's the info I want then.
Basically I'd like to know at what point the oils I mentioned become too thick to pump easily.
Can I also add tgmo to the list.
It's to explore cold pumping ability.
Am I explaining myself properly? I'm trying to see where these options are at -40,our worst possible temp extreme,and be able to cross reference them against each other.

Thank you
 
its hard to directly relate because they are tested at different temps. but basically mrv is the number you really want.

i mean 15w40 might have a -35 pourpoint but its not going to pump.

where a 0w40 will.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
MRV is more useful than pour point FWIW
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Just keep in mind that MRV can DOUBLE in 5 degrees. And 5wXX oils are tested at -35C, whilst the 0wXX oils are tested at -40C.


^ what he said
 
Yes, you are, just keep in mind the MRV caveat and you'll be good.

To get you started:

MRV @ -40C:
M1 0w20: 9,200cP
M1 0w30: 13,250cP
QS 0w20: 17,500cP
PP 0w20: 20,800cP


Castrol gives no useful information, only the limits of the grade. So for example, under GC, they list: 60,000 @ -40. Not very helpful eh?
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MRV @ -35C:
PU 5w20: 7,750cP
QS 5w20: 9,600cP
PP 5w20: 11,100cP
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Yes, you are, just keep in mind the MRV caveat and you'll be good.

To get you started:

MRV @ -40C:
M1 0w20: 9,200cP
M1 0w30: 13,250cP
QS 0w20: 17,500cP
PP 0w20: 20,800cP

A correcton on the MRV for M1 AFE 0W-20.
The above figure is for the US made version, the Cdn made M1 AFE 0W-20 has a MRV of 10,400cP, still the lightest pumping oil in Canada at extremely cold temp's next to Sustina 0W-20 (MRV 9630cP) which is not as readily available.

And don't forget Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0w30 (nee Esso XD-3) with it's MRV of 14,900cP and 3.5cP HTHSV if you need something heavier at hot operating temp's, as unlikely as that may be.
Since M1 AFE 0w30 is not sold in Canada it's also good to know that Mobil have given their blessing to the blending of M1 0W-20 and Delvac Elite 0w30 to acheive a higher HTHSV if necessary.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Yes, you are, just keep in mind the MRV caveat and you'll be good.

To get you started:

MRV @ -40C:
M1 0w20: 9,200cP
M1 0w30: 13,250cP
QS 0w20: 17,500cP
PP 0w20: 20,800cP

A correcton on the MRV for M1 AFE 0W-20.
The above figure is for the US made version, the Cdn made M1 AFE 0W-20 has a MRV of 10,400cP, still the lightest pumping oil in Canada at extremely cold temp's next to Sustina 0W-20 (MRV 9630cP) which is not as readily available.

And don't forget Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0w30 (nee Esso XD-3) with it's MRV of 14,900cP and 3.5cP HTHSV if you need something heavier at hot operating temp's, as unlikely as that may be.
Since M1 AFE 0w30 is not sold in Canada it's also good to know that Mobil have given their blessing to the blending of M1 0W-20 and Delvac Elite 0w30 to acheive a higher HTHSV if necessary.


The OP has stated to me in another thread that his Walmart sells the 0w30.......
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM

The OP has stated to me in another thread that his Walmart sells the 0w30.......
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I would be great if Clevy could confirm that, but I very much doubt it's the case. M1 0w30 was sold in Canada back years ago before in it's SL form but has never been reintroduced in it's current AFE SM or SN form in Canada.
It's also not on Imperial Oils web-site who blend and package (in litre containers) the other M1 oils sold in Canada.
 
Sorry overkill. I was mistaken about the AFE 0w30 at walmart. I know I've seen it here in the city before though. Musta been a speed shop or something. I will track it down because I'd like to use it.
And thank you caterham for everything. I should have just pm'ed you this question as I'm sure you know most of these answers off the top of your head.

Thanks again to everyone for all your replies. I've pulled over to write this so I haven't gotten a chance to read them yet but I will shortly.
Again I'm sorry overkill,I will find it,and when I do I will let you know.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Sorry overkill. I was mistaken about the AFE 0w30 at walmart. I know I've seen it here in the city before though. Musta been a speed shop or something. I will track it down because I'd like to use it.
And thank you caterham for everything. I should have just pm'ed you this question as I'm sure you know most of these answers off the top of your head.

Thanks again to everyone for all your replies. I've pulled over to write this so I haven't gotten a chance to read them yet but I will shortly.
Again I'm sorry overkill,I will find it,and when I do I will let you know.


No worries. As per the other thread, that's why I was getting it from the USA
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The main advantage of sourcing AFE 0w30 in the States is that it's so cheap. If it wasn't for the price I'd actually prefer a 50/50 blend of AFE 0W-20 and Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0W-30. You'll get a higher VI and AW additive level, but at a fairly high price.
 
So AFE 0w-20 is the thinnest then. I'm surprised too see PP so thick,it must be at the very edge of the scale.
Thanks again for the info guys.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The main advantage of sourcing AFE 0w30 in the States is that it's so cheap. If it wasn't for the price I'd actually prefer a 50/50 blend of AFE 0W-20 and Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0W-30. You'll get a higher VI and AW additive level, but at a fairly high price.

I'm not sure that I've ever seen devlac before however I was never really looking for it.
Caterham. I've got 6 quarts of mobil 1 5w-20,2 of AFE 0w-20,4 jugs of pp 5w-20,4 jugs of qsud 5w-20 in my thin stash.
My thick has 3 jugs liqui-moly 0w-40,LM 10w-40,Amsoils yellow cap 0w-40 for motorsports,and a ton of Amsoil v-twin 20w-50/10w-40,some RP EURO 5w30 and 5w-40.
Of my stash is there a mix that would work better in my hemi,taking severe cold into consideration. I don't mind draining in the spring if their isn't ideal for warmer months.
And what do you think about my mustang. It's now got a 4v from an 03 Mach,and has an oil cooler.
These Mach engines are the ones that have the valve issues in the head if that makes a difference with oil selection. The car will be operated at high rpms and driven spiritedly.
Wadaya figure? I also don't mind just running the 0w-20 mobil if you figure it's best.
Thank you
 
Originally Posted By: Brule
How useful is a "Viscosity Calculator at a Specific Temperature" in determining low temperature viscosity? Like this one: Viscosity Calculator at a Specific Temperature (ASTM D341)

For example enter "0c" for operational temperature, enter the oil's actual 100 & 40 viscosities and run calculator. Would the resulting number be a good for comparing low temp performance between different oils?


Thank you for the link. I've about the viscosity calculator but never came across it.
Caterham always seems to have some form of intimate knowledge about various oils so I figured if I posed the question to him he might know which additive packages would work best together,and which may not compliment one another.
 
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