that would require putting their phone down
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Poll reports drinking in U.S. at record low
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I think the effective tax burden falls mostly on the users. Who are addicted to the product. Smoking is still more common outside the U.S. in my travels.
Not closely enough the first time.
Missed the reference to their smoking poll the first time:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/648521/cigarette-smoking-rate-ties-year-low.aspx
Also something to note in the original survey is that "alcohol" covers a large spectrum, and the survey didn't consider whether consumption takes the form of cheap lighter fluid, beer, wine, ranging up to aged Scotch Whisky, Cognac, Champagne, etc.
That would have some provided some important context.
You are correct, sir.
And that will never happen. Alas.
There are people here who want to talk about how great their children and grandchildren are. I understand that. I respect that. But it's over, folks. Nobody's children are going to throw their phones away. Ain't gonna happen. If you don't believe me, just ask them.
My daughter got into my non used 3 months after surgery meds at 14 (now 26) , and switch them out for vitamins. I walked into the bathroom and found 10 pills in a micro ziplock baggy that dropped out of her pocket, so I looked at the coding on the pill and knew it was my opiates. Off to Hazelton, she went, that was a gut punch as she was belligerent as heck. Came out still defiant, but slipped up once after being there we were told 10 years later. She doesn't smoke pot either, as I always brought up when she was 14-16 "don't you get paranoid when your high, doesn't it seem people are looking at you when you are high"? pushed that a bit and sure as my plan was, she stopped smoking pot at 18-19 because of that. She also doesn't drink at all, because she dose not want to feel out of control. So the dire dread my wife and I when she was 14-16, she pulled through it and turned out to be at tattoo artist ( not the happest about that) and owns her own tattoo supply company now, making as much as my wife and I combined. She did good for herself.
Good for you, sir. No matter what happens, she's never going to wonder if you loved her.
Drug addiction is a tough nut for a family to crack. But so is parenting.
Yep, 2 times visited by Mn family services "for parenting" "Specialty leftist Art School" didn't like parenting, so they called the state. Thank God the rep saw our side of it, both times.
I get that. But I'm left wondering who is willing to pay $12? I'm thinking that's about the average price of a pack of 20 in California. I have heard of workarounds. Smuggling from states where there are lower taxes. Or buying tribal tobacco. Not sure what the deal is now, but I remember reading an article about one tribe that made and sold cigarettes and mostly sold them to nonmembers looking to spend less. I think that's for the most part gone, where they can sell them untaxed to other recognized tribes. But obviously that's a pretty small market compared to people willing to stock up.
We are just out here homesteading and minding our own business… and to not trust the government but I digress.
The chicken and child are about the same age, she won’t let anyone else but him pick her up.
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The people who must have their nicotine fix, and haven't moved onto newer delivery methods like vapes and patches, which is the younger demographics' preferred form.
An expensive habit to be sure, but alcohol is costly as well.
I work with lots of people that still smoke, and like any addiction I am pretty sure cost isn't part of the equation.
Nope! We'll get our nicotine fix whatever way needed lol. I don't think the price differences across states is big enough to matter anymore like it did 10-15+ years ago unless you live in a city or county where it's a lot more expensive, like $20/pack in Chicago vs $11/pack outside of the city.
It's a historic thing......if you get my drift.
All kidding aside, they say nicotine addiction is really tough.
This thread is about life-style choices. Apparently, younger people are not attracted to alcohol. However, energy drinks seem to be successful in the marketplace. I can't imagine that Red Bull and Celsius are all that good for you.
Care to summarize? if it's behind a paywall then I'm not sure who can read.
True. However I recall being in college in the 90's when the book Bowling Alone came out. I never read it, but I recall people talking about increased isolation back then--various social institutions no longer being that important, etc. Yes, the internet was around in 1995--but I don't think it had really taken ahold yet. And certainly not smartphones.
I'm not sure that smartphones are the cause. Maybe for the younger generations. But I suspect that there was a trend that predated it--smartphones and the internet just makes it easier. Just my opinion, would be interesting to see if I'm wrong.
Hmm--looks like it was an essay that came out in 1995 while the book came out in 2000. So apparently my memories about stuff from 25 years ago is about as fuzzy as a fruit from 25 years ago. Link.
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The one I posted is not.
Some are still looking to save money. And I found the article I recall, which was about Upstate NY tribes and tax collection efforts. It may be behind a paywall, but I can at least read a few articles with a free account.
For the tribe, which has about 1,000 members, tobacco manufacturing is just one of several business ventures, including the Turning Stone resort and casino, which altogether employ more than 4,500 people in this part of the state. Unlike in some other Indian nations, the Oneida cigarette business is run by the tribe, not private entrepreneurs; the proceeds support programs like college scholarships, housing assistance and a health clinic.
“It’s not what we wanted to do,” Mr. Halbritter, the tribe’s leader, said. “It’s all we could do.”
Mr. Halbritter lamented that tobacco had come to symbolize the tensions over sovereignty. “It’s sort of a shame that it has to be cigarettes, which is very distasteful to us,” he said. “Yet at the same time, the principle is the same, if we were manufacturing whatever it was.”
Ah, I stand corrected. Thanks.
So people are having less sex. Correlation is clear to me--people need to drink more while in the company of others. Two birds with one stone on that one.
You usually run into two camps, the nicotine addiction or the habit addiction. I'm in the latter because I'm a very habitual person so not smoking after a meal almost feels like I'm missing something.
People are also getting into fitness more and seeing how alcohol (and tobacco) is a detriment to health. Gen Z would be the generation today that should be at the bars and drinking but with a lot of the easy-to-access health tools we have available now like a smart watch or food/exercise apps, I think people are seeing the lack of nutrients and finally saying "no".
Direct tax; sure.
Cigarette smoking carries a substantial economic burden, impacting not only individual smokers but also healthcare systems, businesses, and society as a whole.
Society pays. A lot.
So does diabetes.
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