It is odd that they don't all carry the same things. Then again the one here never seems to have the same thing from week to week when you go in there. The real challenge is to go in there and try to make sense of their oil filters...about 1/2 of them are out of the box...the rest are scattered about and look like the Tazmanian Devil ripped through the area.
Phillips Trop Artic
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Was your change with the new blended SM? If so, where did you pick it up at?
Was your change with the new blended SM? If so, where did you pick it up at?
Nope....keeping my eye out for it though. Trop Artic sells out so fast at both Atwoods & the local Wal Mart that I would bet it shows up on the shelf soon.
Wal*Marts in Oklahoma still carry TA? Haven't seen any at WM's here in the midwest for a couple of years. I was in Atlanta last week and didn't see any down there either. Other than $1.59 at Autozone, the other places to get it are the few 66 gas stations that actually carry their own oil...for $2.25/qt!
Yep...Trop Artic is easy to find here. Of course I guess it helps that Phillips was/is headquartered in Bartlesville just north of Tulsa. It probably doesn't hurt that Conoco has a big refinery operation in Ponca City(which is in NW Oklahoma) as well.quote:
Originally posted by Pat in Speedway:
Wal*Marts in Oklahoma still carry TA? Haven't seen any at WM's here in the midwest for a couple of years. I was in Atlanta last week and didn't see any down there either. Other than $1.59 at Autozone, the other places to get it are the few 66 gas stations that actually carry their own oil...for $2.25/qt!
Great! I've got friends that live in Tulsa and around OK City. I go out there 3 or 4 times a year, so I'll be sure to stock up while I'm out there. Is the TA still a little over a buck a quart at Wally World?
Yup, here in North OKC, Walmart carries the Trop Arctic line for $1.04/qt. Conoco's good "Mystik" is also carried by OK-Wally's at around $1.50/qt.
Yep....and last time I was in Sam's looking around they had cases for $10.78
Wading through the MSDS gobledygook, two points stand out under carcinogenity of the base lube stocks:
Carcinogenicity:
Synthetic Base Oil (Petroleum)
The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has concluded that severely hydrotreated mineral oils [Group III base lube stocks] are not carcinogenic.
Lubricant Base Oil (Petroleum)
The petroleum base oils contained in this product have been highly refined by a variety of processes including solvent extraction, hydrotreating, and dewaxing to remove aromatics and improve performance characteristics. All of the oils meet the IP-346 criteria of less than 3 percent PAH's.
Wow! With a minimum of 58% Group III, and indications that the remaining maximum 21% petroleum base oils are Group II*, these various brand ConocoPhillips blends appear to be a dream come true for mineral oil users. ConocoPhillips has thrown down the gauntlet to the other blenders, whom I can't see ignoring the competitive challenge except at their own peril.
*The only way I'm aware of removing aromatics (specifically PAH's - Poly-Aromatic Hydrocarbons) from Group I solvent extracted base lube stock is hydrotreating which then defines the finished "Lubricant Base Oil (Petroleum)" lube stock as at least a Group II.
Carcinogenicity:
Synthetic Base Oil (Petroleum)
The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has concluded that severely hydrotreated mineral oils [Group III base lube stocks] are not carcinogenic.
Lubricant Base Oil (Petroleum)
The petroleum base oils contained in this product have been highly refined by a variety of processes including solvent extraction, hydrotreating, and dewaxing to remove aromatics and improve performance characteristics. All of the oils meet the IP-346 criteria of less than 3 percent PAH's.
Wow! With a minimum of 58% Group III, and indications that the remaining maximum 21% petroleum base oils are Group II*, these various brand ConocoPhillips blends appear to be a dream come true for mineral oil users. ConocoPhillips has thrown down the gauntlet to the other blenders, whom I can't see ignoring the competitive challenge except at their own peril.
*The only way I'm aware of removing aromatics (specifically PAH's - Poly-Aromatic Hydrocarbons) from Group I solvent extracted base lube stock is hydrotreating which then defines the finished "Lubricant Base Oil (Petroleum)" lube stock as at least a Group II.
Thanks for the post Ray .
I believe you are correct and Line 11 in the below MSDS seems to agree with you as well .
MSDS 5w-20 and 5w30
Here is a partial from Lubes n Grease :
ConocoPhillips acknowledged that some of its competitors will meet the same definition of synthetic blend as they begin making GF-4 products. For the moment, though, it is pleased to be the only one touting the fact that it has done so.
I don't think CP will be the only Company doing this either . I was told by one nameless rep from another company yesterday they are setting tight though .
Fords new for 2005 5w30 spec WSS-M2C929-A might be the driving force behind all of this . I will be interested to see what other companies develop brews that can meet it .
ConocoPhillips acknowledged that some of its competitors will meet the same definition of synthetic blend as they begin making GF-4 products. For the moment, though, it is pleased to be the only one touting the fact that it has done so.
I don't think CP will be the only Company doing this either . I was told by one nameless rep from another company yesterday they are setting tight though .
Fords new for 2005 5w30 spec WSS-M2C929-A might be the driving force behind all of this . I will be interested to see what other companies develop brews that can meet it .
That's interesting, Motorbike. What your're telling us is that based on development work for Motorcraft & this new Ford spec, ConocoPhillips also was able to meet GF-4 for the 5W-20 & 5w30.
If they beat the competition by several months, I can understand the numerous press releases!
If they beat the competition by several months, I can understand the numerous press releases!
Nope I'm saying these oils go beyond meeting API SM GF-4 and the 5w30 meets the new WSS-M2C929-A which is the equivalent of the previous 153H 5w-20 spec but in a higher viscosity while meeting SM phos levels . The 153H 5w-20 was tougher than Honda's 20wt spec and has been superceded by WSS-M2C930-A for 2005 .
I do believe though I can say that they finally got away from Lubrizol as the primary additive supplier it appears .
From what I read here in the past Lubrizol does not like the merits of oil soluable moly . They did not invent it
If I'm wrong I take it back , if correct I'll stand firm . How's that ?
Ohhh also , CP got away from Lubrizol as the supplier for their gasoline additives too . They have the most highly additised gasoline line in America now .
From what I read here in the past Lubrizol does not like the merits of oil soluable moly . They did not invent it
If I'm wrong I take it back , if correct I'll stand firm . How's that ?
Ohhh also , CP got away from Lubrizol as the supplier for their gasoline additives too . They have the most highly additised gasoline line in America now .
While sorta on this topic in a year or so it will be interesting the see if Pennzoil PCMO looks identical to the Formula Shell . Kinda like what they did to the Pennzoil 15w40 . Pennzoil has a more expensive add pack and I could see the Giant wanting to save pennies while keeping the cost to the consumers the same .
A birdy told me they are fighting it tooth and nail so to speak . And no , it did not come from anyone who posts here .
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